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#106877 - 08/09/2002 12:42 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: wfaulk]
eternalsun
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Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
How about "plays" instead?

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#106878 - 08/09/2002 12:48 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: eternalsun]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Fine. Just come up with a better, obvious word, Mr. With-The-Logic.
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#106879 - 08/09/2002 13:02 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: wfaulk]
eternalsun
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Registered: 09/09/1999
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Loc: San Jose, CA
What can be simpler and more obvious than "plays" ?

Sheet music "appears" but music "plays."

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#106880 - 08/09/2002 13:09 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: eternalsun]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
You misunderstood. I was agreeing with you and trying to denigrate myself for not seeing such an obvious word. (Sarcasm doesn't come off well in print, huh?)
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#106881 - 08/09/2002 16:01 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: wfaulk]
eternalsun
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Loc: San Jose, CA
doh!

Speaking of words, have you read Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy? Now that's a piece of contemporary fiction that is packed to the gills with vocabulary, new words, and in very innovative usages as well. I don't have any specific examples, but was reading the last book in the series last night, and was fairly impressed by Robinson's very poetic prose.

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#106882 - 08/09/2002 18:43 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: eternalsun]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
He's a good writer. I haven't read all of them yet -- I'm about halfway through the first one and was quite impressed, but as with most books that are reasonably challenging, I keep getting distracted, since it takes longer than just a few hours to read.

Edit: One thing in it that I keep thinking about is how he took the four classical Greek personality types and combined them with another set of classical personality types that I forget and came up with modern psychological types. Very interesting. I like stuff like that, and that was just a tangent (as far as I could tell from that point -- it might turn out to be very relevant, so don't spoil it ).


Edited by wfaulk (08/09/2002 18:46)
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#106883 - 09/09/2002 10:13 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: wfaulk]
eternalsun
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Typically, a good science fiction novel takes a single strong idea and expands upon it. What are the social implications, what are the effects on humanity of such and such? So his Mars trilogy is quite the shocker because due to its cornucopia of new ideas, even new characters, introduced every few chapters. It's quite the departure from the usual run of the mill. He has economic theory, political theory, string theory, geology, biology, psychology, genetics, terrorism, ecology, nuclear fusion, planetary exploration, space elevators, solar sails, immortality, religion, self replicating industries, moholes, viruses, ... and that doesn't even touch upon the incomprehensible scale of the imagery and plot. It takes skill to combine ingredients into coherent fiction, and amazingly enough, none of the ideas seem far beyond what is possible, and it would seem at no point was Robinson tempted to throw in alien life and tip the story into fantasy.

I'm going to have to end up reading the trilogy twice just to make sure I got it right .

He took the four classical greek personality types and mixed them up with other stuff, and in that particular instance, he is doing it to develop a character, to expose Michel Duval's method of thinking. It creates the sense of rationality, and then he switches over to another external point of view, and stomps all over the psychological exposition, calling it alchemy and pseudoscience and bullshit. It's disconcerting, but effective in building up the many characters have their own systems of thought, many times at odds with each other.

I'll probably finish the last book today, hopefully. :-D

Calvin

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#106884 - 09/09/2002 12:38 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: eternalsun]
leftyfb
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Registered: 04/03/2002
Posts: 217
Loc: Lowell, MA
Trying to keep the original topic here alive. empeg taking a while to "fade in" from standby and showing battery icon for a small period of time. Here's hoping a new version of hijack will randomly fix this error the same was it was randomly implemented.
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#106885 - 10/09/2002 08:54 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: leftyfb]
Dava
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Registered: 06/12/2000
Posts: 192
Loc: Bucks UK
I agree. I am still waiting.......
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#106886 - 06/10/2002 19:25 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: fusto]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Anyone else STILL getting this? I'm thinking of going back to an old old version of HiJack..
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#106887 - 06/10/2002 19:34 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
Laura
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Registered: 16/06/2000
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Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
I still am. Mark even took a look at my empeg while at the meet but was not able to figure it out. I'm not so sure it is Hijack doing it and was thinking about trying to run it without. Have you tried that yet?
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#106888 - 07/10/2002 02:41 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
Warp10
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Registered: 18/02/2002
Posts: 179
Loc: Germany
I've noticed that I also get this. Not every time though.
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#106889 - 07/10/2002 06:01 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
Derek
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Registered: 16/08/1999
Posts: 453
Loc: NRW, Germany
I'm still getting this too, as well as the battery icon during startup, delaying amp switch on. Am still on Hijack v293 mind you, due to the ftp server not behaving either
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#106890 - 07/10/2002 09:34 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: Laura]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
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Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Mine happens everytime in the car - only w. hijack.
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#106891 - 07/10/2002 09:54 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
fusto
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Registered: 27/12/2001
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Loc: Lummi Island, WA
Same here.
Has been happening since I think version 278 or 279.
I did a test a while back in this thread. Too lazy to look it up now though.

Z~
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#106892 - 07/10/2002 10:47 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
tms13
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Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
I get it every time I come out of standby - on both kinds of power, on both radio and MP3 sources, playing or paused/muted.

I haven't investigated deeply enough to find the cause.
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#106893 - 16/10/2002 12:52 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: tms13]
leftyfb
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Registered: 04/03/2002
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Loc: Lowell, MA
[bump]

as I see HJ is getting some work done to it, thought i'd just re-remention this to possibly get a little glanceover
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#106894 - 16/10/2002 15:18 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: leftyfb]
fusto
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I thought Mark had given up on this particular issue...?

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#106895 - 06/03/2003 06:43 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: fusto]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
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Loc: Detroit, MI USA
This thread always haunts me. We never got it sorted out and I've been living with that battery icon since it happened. I doubt that so many of us could have been losing our minds. Neither Tony nor Mark were able to reproduce the problem (but it appears Mark had it for a little while) so even though they were trying to help, they were limited in what they could do.

I guess Mark saw this behaviour in Laura's empeg too.

Could it be something in the Mk2a hardware that "wore out"? Was it only appearing in Mk2as? Mk2a with 2 drives? Mk2as with over X amount of songs? Maybe certain brands or models of drives (or in combination) draw more power at spin up than others? Was it really HiJack or was it B13? Combination of the two? Maybe the low voltage sensor was not working before hand (giving false negetives)?

Because of all the new stuff that keeps appearing in HiJack and its refinement, I'm willing to live with this, but I'm still amazed that we've never been able to figure this out.
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#106896 - 06/03/2003 09:12 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
fusto
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Registered: 27/12/2001
Posts: 504
Loc: Lummi Island, WA
I originally started this thread way back in July and have been very dissapointed that it appears unresolvable.
Lately though I've been able to come to terms with my battery icon, and can honestly say:
"Icon, what icon...?"

Besides, I really cant see it through the little piece of black tape.
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#106897 - 06/03/2003 09:15 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: fusto]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Besides, I really cant see it through the little piece of black tape.

Works wonders for my car's "Check Engine" light, too.
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#106898 - 06/03/2003 09:52 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14472
Loc: Canada
Just keep bumping this thread once a week or so, and when other things become less important than this issue I'll tackle it again.

Cheers

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#106899 - 06/03/2003 10:23 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
tms13
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Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
I don't think it's a case of any hardware wearing out, because I sometimes have a "good" period of a day or two every so often, when this effect doesn't happen.

I'm pretty sure it's not temperature-related, as I get it at home, at work, and in the car.

Perhaps communication between the kernel and the watchdog voltage sensor is flakey?
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#106900 - 06/03/2003 20:19 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: fusto]
ProtonVehiCROSS
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Registered: 16/09/2001
Posts: 36
Loc: Seattle, WA
Both my 2-drive empegs suffer the same problem. It all started happening about 8 months ago. I don't know if it was tied to software upgrade or not. I have a relatively new car, new Optima yellow-top battery, and I am absolutely positive it is not related to voltage (13.4 volts according to tester). I have learned to live with the delay and battery icon, but I'm awfully curious as to why it happens.
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#106901 - 15/03/2003 11:21 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: fusto]
leftyfb
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Registered: 04/03/2002
Posts: 217
Loc: Lowell, MA
weekly *bump*
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#106902 - 31/03/2003 13:07 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: leftyfb]
leftyfb
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Registered: 04/03/2002
Posts: 217
Loc: Lowell, MA
bi-weekly *bump*
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#106903 - 14/04/2003 17:10 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: leftyfb]
fusto
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Registered: 27/12/2001
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Loc: Lummi Island, WA
...something that goes *bump* in the night....
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#106904 - 14/04/2003 17:58 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: fusto]
thrasher
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 362
didnt see thid thread till now if got the same problem.I guess if it doesnt hurt anything ill just put up with it.and I to took it to the shop and they volt tested everything redid the pos and ground.lol I cant believe I did'nt see this thread.
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#106905 - 14/04/2003 19:00 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: thrasher]
thrasher
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 362
just removed hijack from one of my players and it's not doing it anymore.just to make sure.
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#106906 - 15/04/2003 12:48 Re: battery icon coming off standby [Re: thrasher]
fusto
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Registered: 27/12/2001
Posts: 504
Loc: Lummi Island, WA
Yeah, its a suspected hijack bug (feature?) but apparently it only effects some players which makes it kind-a hard to pin down.
Mark said he'd poke around in hijacks guts again sometime if we bumped it to the top once in awhile.
For now its a "live with it" situation.

Z~
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