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#136007 - 20/01/2003 05:53 New Dension at CES
Phil.
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Registered: 14/01/2002
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Has anyone seen the new Denison DIN size module ? Its out on 1st March.

Theres 2 models - bothl with built-in tuners and options depending on what model you choose.

DH-101 has a removable hard disk, while DH-201 has a CD player but has no built-in HDD and has to get its music from the standard denison unit.

It also has a fold-down detachable front panel for security and for access to the cd player or HDD.

If I didn't have my Rio, I'd probably consider it, so I'll post it here just in case someone is interested.

http://www.dension.com/index.dw?nyelv_id=2



Edited by PhilipOHare (20/01/2003 08:58)

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#136008 - 20/01/2003 06:51 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: Phil.]
rob
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Apparently it's a revolutionary step in the MP3 world to have over 1000 hours of music in your car. Wish we'd thought of that.

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#136009 - 20/01/2003 07:11 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: rob]
andym
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Yeah, you'd have thought someone would have come up with the idea of a hard-disc based mp3 player that fits in a standard DIN slot by now!
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#136010 - 20/01/2003 07:23 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: Phil.]
lopan
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Love my Empeg but I gotta say... It looks good, detachable face, removable hard drive... Kinda nice...
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#136011 - 20/01/2003 07:29 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: lopan]
genixia
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Judging from the pics on the site.... still a 3.5" IDE drive.
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#136012 - 20/01/2003 07:30 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: genixia]
lopan
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Well... That kinda sucks
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#136013 - 20/01/2003 07:35 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: lopan]
lopan
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Wait... the model DH-101 has a removable 2.5 inch hard drive with a usb 2.0 interface...
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#136014 - 20/01/2003 07:47 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: lopan]
Phil.
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I think it is a 2.5' drive on the 101. If you look closly, it resembles the 2.5' DMP3-C HDD. Its only the standard model DMP3-A that has a 3.5' drive.

I love my Empeg too, but this could be an alternative for the unlucky masses who missed out.

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#136015 - 20/01/2003 08:47 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: lopan]
genixia
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Ok, I was guessing based on the apparent depth of the unit.

It does look promising, and I'm glad there's another company still trying to build the market. One has to wonder what the price point is going to be, and whether Denison will turn a profit at whatever price that is.
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#136016 - 20/01/2003 08:57 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: genixia]
Phil.
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I also like how the removable drive acts like an external disc - all enclosed with USB for transfer of mp3s. This, I think, is what makes it stand out from a similar Sony model. Mind you... have you seen the price of the Sony unit? Its HIGH!

Dension are going to have to make this very competive with regards to price, and will need to market it to death - that will cost a fortune. I hope they succeed though.

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#136017 - 20/01/2003 09:06 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: genixia]
lopan
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Probably way too expensive...
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#136018 - 20/01/2003 10:15 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: lopan]
KungFuCow
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Registered: 18/01/2002
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Here are the prices as listed through the Dennison store. Looks like you can (pre)order the unit now.

The unit(s) themselves are all the same price and available in silver and black. $ 359.99

Satellite remote display - $89.99

Hard drives:
20GB - $69.99
80GB - $149.00
120GB - $199.00

CD Changer emulator - $69.99

Tuner - $59.00

USB2 adapter - $89.00


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#136019 - 20/01/2003 10:26 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: KungFuCow]
Phil.
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Thats for the standard model, not the new din model. The new one has integrated tuner and does not use a remote display.

AFAIK they are not taking orders until Febrary, with delivery for March.

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#136020 - 20/01/2003 10:39 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: Phil.]
KungFuCow
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Registered: 18/01/2002
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Ah.. okay.. yea, the website is a bit sparse on information about the units. Hopefully pricing will be similar on the new ones. I won't be trading in my Empeg for one by any means but it's nice that something sorta the same continues on the market.

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#136021 - 20/01/2003 11:06 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: Phil.]
tfabris
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Yeah, I hung around the Dension booth for a while at CES and talked to their guys. The newer model coming out, with the 2.5" drive that pulls out and becomes a portable, looks really really keen. Still not as good as the empeg, but for now, looks like the closest thing to an empeg on the market right now.

I've got pictures, perhaps I'll get around to posting them here when I have a chance.

Oh, and you had to just love that Mini Cooper they had in the booth for the demo...
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#136022 - 20/01/2003 11:52 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: rob]
Nosferatu
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Registered: 24/08/2001
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Na , Rob Revoution for Dension is the Din Format .....

This is a big step to have a Mp3 Player that fits in a Din bay ;-)
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#136023 - 20/01/2003 12:26 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: tfabris]
blitz
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Registered: 20/11/2001
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Any feel for the user interface on the player? Did you get any idea as to pricing for the new model?

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#136024 - 20/01/2003 14:29 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: blitz]
tfabris
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Pricing was sub-1000, perhaps even less. I could have sworn he said "600" but don't quote me on that.

Couldn't see the UI, unit was under glass, unpowered. Looked like it would be similar to the existing Dension units, not sure.
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#136025 - 20/01/2003 14:32 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: tfabris]
wfaulk
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    Couldn't see the UI, unit was under glass, unpowered.
Gee, that inspires confidence.
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#136026 - 20/01/2003 14:36 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: wfaulk]
tfabris
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Loc: Seattle, WA
It wasn't finished. Jeez, give them a break.
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#136027 - 20/01/2003 16:09 Re: New Denison at CES [Re: lopan]
tanstaafl.
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Love my Empeg but I gotta say... It looks good, detachable face, removable hard drive... Kinda nice...

Yeah, but... It ain't the hardware; it's the software that keeps the empeg way ahead of the others. Sony or Kenwood or any number of other manufacturers have the resources to duplicate or even improve upon the empeg's hardware in a short amount of time. But coming up with workable software, that is enormously more difficult.

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#136028 - 20/01/2003 22:51 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: Phil.]
tfabris
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Here's the pics I promised.

The display is a mono LCD, but its backlight slowly cycles through a rainbow of colors. Interesting gimmick.



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#136029 - 20/01/2003 22:52 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: tfabris]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
And of course, they get points for a cool demo car...



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#136030 - 20/01/2003 22:55 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: tfabris]
TigerJimmy
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Please post a picture of the cool demo car...

:-) (don't know how to make the cool smileys)

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#136031 - 20/01/2003 22:58 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: tfabris]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
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The removable hdd is a neat idea. Way better than ripping the cd's in the car like sony / pioneer. I would still rather have the whole unit pull out though.
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#136032 - 20/01/2003 23:05 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: msaeger]
tfabris
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The removable hdd is a neat idea.

Dunno if you caught it, but not only is it a removable hard drive, it becomes a portable MP3 player when removed. Quite the nice trick, that. Curious to see how it does in the marketplace in a few months.

And, of course, it's nice to know that the empeg has been with us for a few years now and this is the first thing to even come "close" to the coolness of the empeg.
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#136033 - 20/01/2003 23:14 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: tfabris]
jimhogan
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The display is a mono LCD, but its backlight slowly cycles through a rainbow of colors. Interesting gimmick.

When i disconnected my car battery on Saturday, I was reminded that my Kenwood HU does this --cycles through the rainbow and lets you pick from 1 of 20-30 colors. I like it. Seems like Kenwood has stopped making them like that, though.

I downloaded the Dension software (Doug is correct, it is all about the software), but couldn't get it to display in anything but Hungarian. The unit looks promising though -- of course now do I have to remove the faceplate *and* hard drive when I go into the house?
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#136034 - 20/01/2003 23:24 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: tfabris]
Biscuitsjam
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Registered: 22/01/2002
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Yes, this may be the first thing that approaches the Empeg, but how long until the Empeg II comes out? Looks like Dension may have a monopoly for a while, assuming, of course, that they don't have a 3-4 year timeframe as well....

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#136035 - 20/01/2003 23:27 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: Biscuitsjam]
tfabris
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but how long until the Empeg II comes out?

You mean the Empeg III, don't you? We already have the II. Anyway, as we all know, the Mark III is pretty much in Visteon's hands right now.
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#136036 - 21/01/2003 00:37 Re: New Dension at CES [Re: Biscuitsjam]
msaeger
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it says on their website it will be out march 2003.
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