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#190370 - 21/11/2003 05:56 Karma review @CNET
Cas_O
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#190371 - 21/11/2003 11:42 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: Cas_O]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 30729
Loc: Seattle, WA
I love how all the reviews mention the VU meters.
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#190372 - 21/11/2003 12:42 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: tfabris]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1992
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
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/Michael - another VU meter fan
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#190373 - 21/11/2003 13:29 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: mtempsch]
thinfourth2
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Registered: 13/04/2001
Posts: 1742
Loc: The land of the pale blue peop...
look out hes going to blow.
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#190374 - 21/11/2003 14:58 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: tfabris]
DLF
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Registered: 24/07/2003
Posts: 500
Loc: Colorado, N.A.
Just a few things in this review need clarifying (as usual):
On average, it took about 20 seconds to download a 100MB collection of nine music files to our test unit, for a file-transfer speed of 5MB per second.
Wow! 11MB music files on a 100MB Karma! Oops, he probably meant 10MB. Which makes the rate 0.5MBps
via Ethernet, ... 0.53MB per second (about 10 times slower than via USB 2.0).
Uh, OK now I really am confused. But, on the plus side, we learned this:
stream music from a [Karma] to other devices attached to the same network. ... a remote-control Web interface so that you can control the unit from any networked PC while it's attached to your stereo (making the device a de facto digital audio receiver)....
I think RMML already qualifies as the latter, but it's good to hear about the former (streaming output). Any comments from Cambridge?
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#190375 - 21/11/2003 15:03 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: DLF]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4909
Loc: Orange County, NY USA
Streaming is not official, but the Java app is available here:
http://www.inzyme.com/rio/index.html

The figures quoted as far as transfer goes seems accurate to me. What is the problem?
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#190376 - 21/11/2003 15:13 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: DLF]
matthew_k
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Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2290
Loc: Berkeley, California
stream music from a [Karma] to other devices attached to the same network. ... a remote-control Web interface so that you can control the unit from any networked PC while it's attached to your stereo (making the device a de facto digital audio receiver)....

Now, the article:
Rio plans to eventually use this same interface to add the ability to stream music from a player to other devices attached to the same network. The company will also add a remote-control Web interface so that you can control the unit from any networked PC while it's attached to your stereo (making the device a de facto digital audio receiver).

That's some mighty convenient editing you've done there. The statment may be true given Mike's java applet, but I have a hard time going along with your edit.

Matthew

edit: I don't think you intended to mislead. We've just been accused of hyping the Karma before, so we try and keep a Fair And Balanced position when discussing Karma features.


Edited by matthew_k (21/11/2003 15:22)

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#190377 - 21/11/2003 15:13 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: robricc]
DLF
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Registered: 24/07/2003
Posts: 500
Loc: Colorado, N.A.
D'OH! I didn't think to look at Mike's latest builds page, thanks.

As for file transfer: You can't transfer 100MB to a 20MB unit. Does the author mean 10MB transferred in 20 secs? Seems more realistic, but that makes the transfer rate the same as he quotes for Ethernet. Or does he mean 10 sets of 10MB transfers that averaged 5MB/s done in about 2 secs EACH, or 5 sets of 20MB transfers (using what sized files again?). Or what?
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#190378 - 21/11/2003 15:16 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: DLF]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 30729
Loc: Seattle, WA
You can't transfer 100MB to a 20MB unit.
No, but you can transfer 100MB to a 20GB unit.
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#190379 - 21/11/2003 15:16 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: DLF]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4909
Loc: Orange County, NY USA
MB = Megabytes
GB = Gigabytes

Karma is 20GB
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#190380 - 21/11/2003 15:28 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: matthew_k]
DLF
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Registered: 24/07/2003
Posts: 500
Loc: Colorado, N.A.
What's wrong with my edit? Two separate enhancements, admittedly, but obviously working together.

Just turns out that they are currently enhancements of/for Mike S' "unofficial" RMML instead of RMM for Windows.
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#190381 - 21/11/2003 15:34 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: robricc]
DLF
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Registered: 24/07/2003
Posts: 500
Loc: Colorado, N.A.
OK, it's Friday afternoon and I've lost all ability to think at all.

Sorry for the wasted bandwidth.
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#190382 - 21/11/2003 15:50 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: DLF]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 30729
Loc: Seattle, WA
That's not supposed to happen until Friday night. Have we been partaking of the spirits a little ahead of schedule, hmmm?
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#190383 - 21/11/2003 17:25 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: tfabris]
DLF
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Registered: 24/07/2003
Posts: 500
Loc: Colorado, N.A.
Schedule, schmedule. Just for that, I'm leaving early and picking up a Karma on the way home tonight....
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#190384 - 21/11/2003 17:27 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: DLF]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4909
Loc: Orange County, NY USA
I'm leaving early and picking up a Karma on the way home tonight....
Excellent choice.
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#190385 - 21/11/2003 18:50 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: Cas_O]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1896
Loc: Leeds, UK
I like it too !!!

I want one !!! When are they coming to the UK ???

I have a mate going to the States in January, but I don't like the sounds of a 90 warranty!

Wish they'd hurry up and go either way on the 40Gb unit, could match my empeg for content then.

Cheers

Cris.

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#190386 - 22/11/2003 08:07 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: Cris]
altman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3450
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Karma will be available in the UK (and parts of europe) before christmas (or that's the word). Fingers crossed.

Sorry, I don't know any prices yet.

Hugo

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#190387 - 22/11/2003 08:37 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: altman]
Phil.
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2479
Yup, Rob says that too - I can't wait!

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#190388 - 24/11/2003 09:27 Re: Karma review @CNET [Re: altman]
_hardcore_
member

Registered: 22/09/2000
Posts: 195
Loc: Copenhagen, Denmark
Argh.. Last month i couldn't wait anymore. I'm traveling alot by plane, and missed my Empeg powered Volvo - I bought an Ipod 40GB just to have some music with me - now it looks like i'm going to buy a Karma. Anybody wants to by my hardly used Ipod ? :-)

Tada,
Kaare

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