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#211077 - 25/03/2004 22:51 SCO Death Watch Pool
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
It's not really a pool. It's free. For simplicity's sake, I will put up the prize. 50 USD

The rules:

1) Entries restricted to non-lurking members of the Empeg BBS. You must have at least two posts to this BBS prior to 20:00 hours Pacific Standard Time March 25, 2004.

2) One entry per humanoid. Duplicating entries from alternate BBS IDs such as Jesus Christ or Saddam_Hussein will invalidate any entries from the IDs of their real owners.

3) How to enter: Post your entry here in a response to this message. E-mail a copy of your entry to the e-mail address listed for this BBS ID (jimhogan) with the subject "SCOPOOL" and with your legal name in the body of the message. It will be assumed that the e-mail address is the address to which $50 Paypal will be sent in the event that you are the winner. If you can not accept Paypal, you must include a postal address to which $50 in funds can be sent in the event you win in order for your entry to be valid. There will be no dickering after SCO dies! If you did not provide a valid Paypal e-mail address or valid postal address, the prize will go to the next runner-up!

4) Definition of SCO "death" for the purposes of the contest: You must guess the dates both when SCO share price (listed on NASDAQ under SCOX) will first drop below $5.00 and when it will drop below $1.00. A "perfect" prediction of death would be if you pick both dates exactly for a score of zero (no variation from actual dates of death). and this low score would win.

5) Entries are first-come, first-served. Your entry may not duplicate the dates of any previous entry. Please check your entry after posting and before e-mailing. If Tony or Tony snuck in there with the same dates, go back and edit/adjust your entry!

6) Scoring for imprefect entries: Once the actual dates for $5 and $1 death are known, entries will be assessed additional points as follows: One point for every day (early or late) of variance from the actual $5 day. *Three* points for every day of variance (early or late) from the actual $1 day (on the premise that the $1 day is the more critical indicator of death).

7) Unforseen circumstance will be dealt with at the discretion of the pool manager! If SCO tries some crap like a 1-to-85 split to avoid delisting, well, I'll deal with it and let you know. If the SEC e-mails and threatens to sue me for rigging the market and selling SCO short, well, I can say that I don't own any stock and I'll do the best I can.

8) You may elect a "SCO Lives!" entry (by putting this in the body of your post/e-mail). If, as of March 25, 2005, SCO has not died according to contest criteria, all SCO_Lives! entries will be put in a hat and a $50 winner chosen at randomy by my buddy's 4 year-old son, Fritz.

9) Entries must be logged before 12;00 noon PST on April 1, 2004. If SCOX has dropped below $5 before the April 1 dealine then the $5 scoring will be nullified. If SCOX drops below $1 before the contest deadline then the contest will be aborted in favor of some localized dancing and singing.

Let the entries begin!
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#211078 - 25/03/2004 23:39 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
rompel
stranger

Registered: 26/08/2000
Posts: 44
Loc: California
SCO Lives!

Gawd, I hated typing that! But I don't think the stock will drop below $1 until they get creamed in the IBM trial, currently scheduled to begin on 4/11/05. I'd be happy to be wrong, though

--John

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#211079 - 26/03/2004 01:53 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
Darl__McBride
new poster

Registered: 26/03/2004
Posts: 3
Loc: Lindon, Utah
I think that you are mistaken. It is obvious that we own UNIX, Unix, unix, uNiX, *nix and Linux. We intend to aggressively persue users who do not hold the required licenses for our software, and are prepared to litigate where necessary.

We believe that at least 4000 users of these 'empeg' car stereo things owe us $600 each for Linux licensing . If you would all forward us your mailing address so that we can invoice you it would make our lives much simpler.

In addition, we also own FreeBSD, OSX, Beos, Qnx, Windows and Doors. Our legal team is working on the lawsuits as I write. We also believe that any use of glass as a transparent divider infringes on our trade secrets, patents and copyrights, as does any example of a moveable divider. In fact, our ownership claim of Doors extends to any property, tangible or otherwise, that goes by the name of Doors, doors, dOoRs, dOOrs, The Doors etc. That obviously includes the music produced by that band who used our copyright without our permission. As a matter of fact, we own all music. Our legal team is currently notifying all the artists and audiences of music that they must license the right to perform or listen to music from us. We believe that a very reasonable licensing fee of $100 per song will be welcomed by the public.

In the extremely unlikely event that our lawsuit with IBM fails in its first hearing, I'd like to remind you that we own the alphabet, and will license the letters "I", "B" and "M" to them for a suitably large amount. We will also notify the judge that he owes us _lots_ of money for the use of those letters after his name. We will also persue the Federal Reserve Bank for infringing on our trade secrets by distributing letters from the alphabet on millions of pieces of paper without our permission. In fact, by definition, we own all those pieces of paper.

As you can see, we have nothing to fear. SCO will not go bust.
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#211080 - 26/03/2004 03:11 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
Daria
carpal tunnel

Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3927
Loc: Somerville, MA
$5: 4/18/04
$1: 6/7/04

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#211081 - 26/03/2004 03:19 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Daria]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5567
Loc: London, UK
Er, can we have the dates in ISO8601 format please?
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#211082 - 26/03/2004 03:56 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Daria]
Phil.
pooh-bah

Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2480
$5 2004-04-12
$1 2004-06-18

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#211083 - 26/03/2004 07:54 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - Small Amendments [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
1) It would help if you put your BBS handle in the subject of your e-mail (SCOPOOL - yourhandle) in case there are a lot of entries.

2) Yes, can we use ISO dates to avoid any possible confusion for subsequent entrants? That would be YYYY-MM-DD or thereabouts, eh?

3) I would like to amend the closure to April 1, 2005 -- one year from deadline. This shouldn't affect the first SCO LIVES! entry and has a better ring to it. OK?
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#211084 - 26/03/2004 08:38 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
tonyc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
$5: 2004-05-28
$1: 2004-10-01
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#211085 - 26/03/2004 09:42 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - Small Amendments [Re: jimhogan]
Whitey
member

Registered: 09/03/2002
Posts: 178
Loc: Louisiana, USA
$5: 2004-11-02
$1: 2005-01-31
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#211086 - 26/03/2004 13:12 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - Small Amendments [Re: jimhogan]
rompel
stranger

Registered: 26/08/2000
Posts: 44
Loc: California
3) I would like to amend the closure to April 1, 2005 -- one year from deadline. This shouldn't affect the first SCO LIVES! entry and has a better ring to it. OK?
That's fine. I stand by my "SCO Lives!" prediction.

--John



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#211087 - 26/03/2004 14:49 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Darl__McBride]
foxtrot_xray
addict

Registered: 03/03/2002
Posts: 687
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia

In addition, we also own FreeBSD, OSX, Beos, Qnx, Windows and Doors.

Oh, SWEET!! My 'GEOS' Operating system for the C=64 is safe!

Whew.. Was getting worried there..
Me.
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#211088 - 28/03/2004 22:16 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: rompel]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
But I don't think the stock will drop below $1 until they get creamed in the IBM trial, currently scheduled to begin on 4/11/05.

Part of my putting this "pool" out there was to see where people's opinion fell on this. 'Course, unless there are more entries, you may have a lock on the SCO Lives! position!

I also put the pool out there because of my sense that the prospect of a 2005 trial would only help SCO up to a point. I don't think they are going to be seeing any new donations of $50 million, their attempts to extort license fees don't seem to be having much effect. With Boies and Company having a stake in the company, it may be that they can keep valuation higher than it should be, but I don't see how they can keep market price high if the market at large decides that their chances against IBM are zilch.

Anyhow, my impulse to put this prize out there was to increase the fun of watching them go down the drain. They so deserve it. Nothing personal, but I hope you don't win!
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#211089 - 29/03/2004 08:58 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Was there something that inspired you to post this? Some important revelation in the case that I missed?
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#211090 - 29/03/2004 10:17 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: wfaulk]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Was there something that inspired you to post this? Some important revelation in the case that I missed?

Not *really*. I am not a business major nor a follower of Wall Street. I have, from time to time, though, looked up SCO's share price and saw it hit a transient around 8. Then I saw EV1's CEO regretting his decision....and it came to me that SCO was probably circling the drain (IBM lawsuit or no) and wouldn't it be fun to have a morbid SCO pool....

I then thought "Hmmm, organizing a *real* pool where everbody throws in a buck would be a real headache" so I decided to front for the prize. I didn't have $50 million to hand, so cast about for another sum. $5? Naw. $500? Nope. So, $50. I added the "must e-mail me" loop to minimize the chance that anybody would stuff the ballot box.

Yeah, go figure!
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#211091 - 30/03/2004 06:44 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
frog51
pooh-bah

Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2089
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
$5 - 2004-07-16
$1 - 2005-02-02
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#211092 - 30/03/2004 06:58 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
JaBZ
addict

Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 452
Loc: NZ
$5 - 2004-10-10
$1 - 2005-01-23

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#211093 - 31/03/2004 21:11 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
ashmoore
addict

Registered: 24/08/1999
Posts: 564
Loc: TX
$5 2004-11-25
$1 2005-03-13

As SCO drops, Novell just keeps climbing
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#211094 - 01/04/2004 12:02 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Approximately 2 hours to the closing of the "pool". Our one "SCO Lives!" entry has no competition. At least one entry didn't observe the rules re: e-mail. I have e-mail from:

rompel
philip_ohare
whitey
frog51

(unless other e-mails got killed by spamassasin for some reason).

All of the few posted entries to date are from well-known BBS-ers, so I am not going to sweat the e-mail unless there are last-minute entries from less-well-know persons. To make it unambiguous, though, an e-mail would be good, lest I bbrated for changing the rules. How about by end of April 1 in the time zone of your choice?

Jim

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#211095 - 01/04/2004 21:40 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
genixia
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
$5 2004-08-25
$1 2004-08-25
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#211096 - 02/04/2004 06:56 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
tms13
old hand

Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
In reply to:

Entries must be logged before 12;00 noon PST on April 1, 2004


Seems I picked the wrong week to go on holiday...

(FWIW, I would have submitted a "SCO Lives!" entry - not because I believe it, but the chance of financial recompense would have sweetened the injustice of it)
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#211097 - 04/04/2004 06:58 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
JaBZ
addict

Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 452
Loc: NZ
Hmmm i did send an email, although it may have been html format...
I sent another in plain text even tho it's too late..

cheers,
Jaidev

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#211098 - 05/04/2004 20:08 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: JaBZ]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
I sent another in plain text even tho it's too late..

Fear not. All entries posted to this thead are A-OK.

SCOX at 10 bucks today. One person has a lock on the "rebuttal" position (SCO remains over $1 until 4/1/2005).

Most interesting entry is genixia's. He gets perfect score if SCO drops from 5.0+ to < 1.0 in a single day. Maybe he knows something about when SCO and other companies announce quarterly results and have their chats with Wall Street analysts....!
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#211099 - 05/04/2004 20:50 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
JaBZ
addict

Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 452
Loc: NZ
Most interesting entry is genixia's. He gets perfect score if SCO drops from 5.0+ to < 1.0 in a single day. Maybe he knows something about when SCO and other companies announce quarterly results and have their chats with Wall Street analysts

Yea, he's guilty insider trading.....

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#211100 - 05/04/2004 22:27 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
genixia
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
They're betting the farm on their legal claims, and the stocks been shorted to the point of a squeeze. When they go down it's going to be fast.
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#211101 - 07/04/2004 21:40 SCO - Village of the Damned [Re: genixia]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
When they go down it's going to be fast.

Can't disagree with that analysis at all. Yeah, I wonder what earnings report will precipitate the meltdown (but I don't know enough about that stuff...)

Not worth a new thread, but I just stumbled across this press release. What a hoot! A SCO Forum 2004 in Vegas.? I mean, IT folks are great at convincing management that "I really need to attend Goatfuck 2004 in order to stay current." (or bullshit to that effect), but SCO Forum 2004??? I mean, who would be caught dead wandering around the SCO Village of the Damned in a polyester leisure suit?

I am half tempted to go to Vegas to look!
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#211102 - 07/04/2004 22:06 Re: SCO - Village of the Damned [Re: jimhogan]
tonyc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Let's all go and make an empeg meet out of it. We can crash the party and cause a big ruckus, while showing off our empegs that we definitely haven't paid $699 to run Linux on.

Come on, let's do it!
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#211103 - 07/04/2004 22:24 Re: SCO - Village of the Damned [Re: tonyc]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Let's all go and make an empeg meet out of it. We can crash the party and cause a big ruckus, while showing off our empegs that we definitely haven't paid $699 to run Linux on.

Tempt me!

Heh. "The $300 conference fee will be waived for those who stay at the MGM Grand and register for your stay on this web site. "

Is the hotel refundable if SCO tanks first? Pretty sad, actually. look at the current PDF of the conference exhibitor floorplan. It is early, sure, but I want to look in a few months to see if there's anybody listed other than SCO.

I could do that that, though. Wander around the MGM with an international orange "Warning! Unlicensed IP!" T-Shirt on? Sure. Let's talk.
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#211104 - 16/04/2004 17:03 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: genixia]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Baystar Pulls Out

$8.32 in after-hours trading.
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#211105 - 17/04/2004 01:31 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
canuckInOR
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3147
Loc: Portland, OR
I saw that... scox made the list of top 20 losers of the day...

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#211106 - 17/04/2004 09:45 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
See, if SCO does die, who's gonna get the UNIX ownership then?
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#211107 - 17/04/2004 09:53 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: wfaulk]
genixia
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
who's gonna get the UNIX ownership then?

In bankruptcy the remaining assets would be auctioned or sold off to claw back some money for the creditors. Stockholders are the lowest class on this list, below employees owed wages, business suppliers owed money, and investors holding loan notes or preferential shares.
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#211108 - 17/04/2004 09:58 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: wfaulk]
gbeer
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2659
Loc: Manteca, California
There are always creditors when a company goes belly up. If SCO dosen't sell the rights before dying, the bankruptsie (spelling?) court will sell off all IP. Including the rights to UNIX weither its worth anything or not.
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#211109 - 17/04/2004 17:39 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: wfaulk]
canuckInOR
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3147
Loc: Portland, OR
See, if SCO does die, who's gonna get the UNIX ownership then?
Is this some sort of trick question? SCO doesn't actually own UNIX. The trademark is owned by someone else. The copyrights are claimed to be owned by SCO and Novell both, so if SCO dies, I'd presume that leaves Novell with an uncontested claim. All SCO really owns of UNIX (as far as I can tell), is the right to sell and collect license fees for Novell, some documentation, and some historical legacy code (to which they don't necessarily own the copyright, so really have no control over).

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#211110 - 18/04/2004 09:38 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: canuckInOR]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I'd forgotten that whole "who owns Unix" quagmire. Let's ignore it for a second.

I wasn't looking for the theory of who would get "it" (whatever SCO owns) but the actuality of who would get "it". My point is that IBM would seem an obvious candidate, but I don't know that I want a major Unix vendor owning "it", as they could conceivably force Solaris, HPUX, Irix, etc. (wow, the crowd is getting thin) out of the market by refusing to license, leaving AIX, which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
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#211111 - 18/04/2004 19:06 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: wfaulk]
ashmoore
addict

Registered: 24/08/1999
Posts: 564
Loc: TX
except that even IBM seem to prefer linux right now
Although someone out there could actually attempt to buy 'it' in an attempt to restart the legal cases.

Apparently there are companies out there who specialize in buying IP from failed companies only to try to screw money from everyone else in court.
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#211112 - 29/04/2004 13:20 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: ashmoore]
JBjorgen
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3467
Loc: Guadalajara, MX
Just bumping the thread since DaimlerChrysler made a motion to dismiss SCO's lawsuit with prejudice today. Looks like they were as low as $6.27 today.
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#211113 - 29/04/2004 13:24 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: JBjorgen]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Not that this has any direct relationship to your post, Jon, but it's important to note that even though everyone seems to be predicting SCO's death, SCOX is still trading at twice the price of two years ago:

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#211114 - 29/04/2004 13:28 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: wfaulk]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3467
Loc: Guadalajara, MX
IIRC, they were hurting pretty badly back then. Not to mention that there hasn't been a single major ruling one way or the other. As soon as they get ruled against, I imagine the stock price will dip further.
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#211115 - 29/04/2004 14:05 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: JBjorgen]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
True. I've only ever seen two SCO installations in my life, so they must have been living solely on Unix licensing. Maybe the lawsuits weren't engineered by MS; maybe they just had no other funding source.
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#211116 - 29/04/2004 15:06 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: wfaulk]
bonzi
pooh-bah

Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
I've only ever seen two SCO installations in my life, so they must have been living solely on Unix licensing.
They (I am talking the original Santa Cruz Operation now, not Caldera) were quite strong player in their best days. After licensing Xenix (early System III port to 8088) from no less than Microsoft (who in turn licensed the SysIII source from AT&T) around 1980 SCO nursed it until more capable processors came out, and Xenix/286 and Xenix/386 in various versions and flavours were quite popular. A bit later came SCO Unix (later called SCO OpenServer), a relatively good, 386+ port of SysVr3, which is virtually unchanged to this day. I saw hundreds of them. The main competitor (there were many) was Interactive Systems Corporation product, also SysVr3 (significantly better than SCO, IMHO), and the competition was quite brisk. A month or two after ISC launched SysVr4 as one of AT&T's principal publishers, Kodak sold it to Sun, which ruined then discontinued it in short order. Soon AT&T sold its Unix System Laboratories (with Unix and excellent transaction monitor Tuxedo, now owned by BEA) to Novell, which didn't quite know what to do with it, but continued to develop a version of SysVr4 half-heartedly. It became UnixWare. Then SCO bought Unix operation from Novell (Unix name went to X/Open, Tuxedo to BEA), had mostly failed joint development effort with HP, focused on Tarantella (whatever that might be) and sold Unix to Caldera, which itself was Linux-focused startup by ex-Novell people.

My company was a very early adopter of Unix on Intel for business applications, so I lived through all of this. Fascinating history.

Er, what I was actually trying to say, there are many SCO OpenServer and UnixWare installations.
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#211117 - 03/05/2004 11:17 Benchmark: under $6.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: bonzi]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
They (I am talking the original Santa Cruz Operation now, not Caldera) were quite strong player in their best days.

Great history! Yes, tons of small-mid business installs like PoS. In 1999, I was faced with the task of installing SCO on 50 Panasonic Toughbooks for a mobile blood banking systems (at ~$500 per seat IIRC). We kept asking the vendor "...and this doesn't run on Linux *why*?". I left that project later in 1999, but I hear it runs on Linux as of 2000-2001. I think lots of SCO customers were asking that type of $25,000 question.

SCO under $6.00 this fine Monday AM.

Note: to be consistent with my stated rules, I was going to mark the day that SCOX first trades/drops below $5/$1, not the day it *closes* below those prices. I think Genixia's instincts (re: rapid downward acceleration are good.) Maybe he wasn't pessimistic enough, though!!
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#211118 - 03/05/2004 22:07 Benchmark: under $6.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
canuckInOR
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A handy link to the SCO ticker on Yahoo, for those lazy folks following this thread.

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#211119 - 07/05/2004 14:41 Benchmark: under $6.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: canuckInOR]
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#211120 - 07/05/2004 14:47 Tangent: stock and Google [Re: tonyc]
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I'm not a financial whiz, so help me out. There's been a lot of talk about people looking down on Google for having two different stock classes, the more influential of which will be held onto by Google insiders. First, why? Who cares? Second, what would the difference be between the Google folks hanging onto (to make up numbers) 5000 of these shares that are worth 10,000 normal shares and not having these special shares and just keeping 50,000,000 normal shares? I just don't get it. I don't get why anyone cares one way or the other.
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#211121 - 10/05/2004 15:17 Benchmark: under $6.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: tonyc]
canuckInOR
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Current price as of 4pm, May 10th: $4.992

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#211122 - 10/05/2004 15:26 Benchmark: under $6.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: canuckInOR]
tonyc
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w00t! Unless I'm mistaken, I'm the closest entry posted here... Wonder if anyone else emailed Jim with something closer.

Now for a nice, gradual descent to below the $1 mark...
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#211123 - 10/05/2004 16:59 Under $5.00 5/10/2004 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: tonyc]
jimhogan
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w00t! Unless I'm mistaken, I'm the closest entry posted here... Wonder if anyone else emailed Jim with something closer.

W00T! Yea! All legit entries are also in posts here so you can see if anybody beat your 18 points. Oh, time for me to build that scorecard and do some math!

Ah, SCO circles the drain...

(Now back to work, Jim!)
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#211124 - 10/05/2004 22:14 Under $5.00 5/10/2004 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
Daria
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A fine birthday gift, except I didn't guess it. I guessed my father's birthday. Oops.

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#211125 - 21/07/2004 17:51 Re: Under $5.00 5/10/2004 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Daria]
JBjorgen
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Well, SCO reportedly took a hit in the DaimlerChrysler case today...trading at $4.25 as of this writing... as low as $4.14 today.
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#211126 - 21/07/2004 20:19 Re: Under $5.00 5/10/2004 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JBjorgen]
jimhogan
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Well, SCO reportedly took a hit in the DaimlerChrysler case today...trading at $4.25 as of this writing... as low as $4.14 today.


"The case "for the most part probably is" over, SCO spokesman Blake Stowell said.

News stories on this just started to show up on Google after the market closed, so let's see how things go tomorrow. They had a small uptick at the end of the day. "bargain hunters"? I just can not conceive of who would buy a share of that trainwreck at any price, except maybe....SCO?
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#211127 - 21/07/2004 20:40 Re: Under $5.00 5/10/2004 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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I just can not conceive of who would buy a share of that trainwreck at any price, except maybe....SCO?

Microsoft?

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#211128 - 21/07/2004 21:19 Re: Under $5.00 5/10/2004 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: djc]
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#211129 - 16/08/2004 23:37 Under $4.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: djc]
jimhogan
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Microsoft?


Finally! Under $4.00. I was seriously starting to think that our friends in Redmond had a standing buy order at $4.01!

But even that couldn't keep SCOX from getting its clock cleaned by Friday's IBM filing.

If SCOX had dropped below $1 today, the scores would look like this:



Name $5 Bet $5 Actual $5 Gap $1 Bet $1 Actual $1 Gap Score
rompel No Bet 05/10/04 38117 No bet 08/16/04 38215 152762
Philip O'Hare 04/12/04 05/10/04 28 06/18/04 08/16/04 59 205
whitey 11/02/04 05/10/04 176 01/31/05 08/16/04 168 680
frog51 07/16/04 05/10/04 67 02/02/05 08/16/04 170 577
dbrashear 04/18/04 05/10/04 22 06/07/04 08/16/04 70 232
jaidev 10/10/04 05/10/04 153 01/23/05 08/16/04 160 633
tonyc 05/28/04 05/10/04 18 10/01/04 08/16/04 46 156
JaBZ 11/25/04 05/10/04 199 03/13/05 08/16/04 209 826
genixia 08/25/04 05/10/04 107 08/25/04 08/16/04 9 134
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#211130 - 17/08/2004 10:11 Re: Under $4.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
JaBZ
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hmmmmmm when did I respond with two completely different sets of dates? :P

EDIT: ahhhhhh


Edited by JaBZ (17/08/2004 10:24)

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#211131 - 17/08/2004 10:49 Re: Under $4.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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well, I'm in the top 10!
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#211132 - 17/08/2004 12:46 Re: Under $4.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Whitey]
jimhogan
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well, I'm in the top 10!


Well, for every day that passes between now and January 31, your score drops by 3 points while several others go up by 3.

Go, go, go! S-C-O!
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#211133 - 16/09/2004 00:12 Re: Tangent: stock and Google [Re: wfaulk]
753
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A bit late for an answer, but here is my understanding of it.
Having a two-class stock structure is a mechanism to decouple the share price from influence and eventually control over the board of directors. Class A shares, which were sold in the public offering have one vote per share, whereas Class B shares have 10 votes per share. Class B share are - at the option of the owner - convertible in Class A shares(1:1), whereas Class A shares can not be converted.
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There's been a lot of talk about people looking down on Google for having two different stock classes, the more influential of which will be held onto by Google insiders. First, why? Who cares?

Class A shareholders have less influence over strategic decisions. Some financial experts claim that the mere presence of a super-voting-power class, depresses the market value of the normal-voting-power class. It makes takeovers less likely, wether this is good or bad depends on the color of your flag. For the founders it protects innovation, experimentation and the do-no-evil approach, while it's obviously an unfortunate structure for those who would like to takeover. IIRC there are some economical theories that would accuse this system of beeing undemocratic.
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Second, what would the difference be between the Google folks hanging onto (to make up numbers) 5000 of these shares that are worth 10,000 normal shares and not having these special shares and just keeping 50,000,000 normal shares?

If the founders held the same class of shares as the average shareholder they would need more than 50% percent to be absolutely sure to keep control. With the dual class structure they are able to maintain that control even if their stake drops below 50%. Effectively it allows one to sell more shares while at the same time keeping absolute control.
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#211134 - 16/09/2004 00:28 Re: Tangent: stock and Google [Re: 753]
wfaulk
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But essentially all they're doing is holding onto ten $10 bills instead of a hundred $1 bills. Sure, it takes up less room in your wallet, but why does anyone care? If they just had one stock class and kept 50% of the shares behind closed doors, no one would care, right? But people seem to be up in arms just because they have a different denomination. Which raises two inverse questions. First, why do people care? It's not as if they were going to sell more than 49% of the shares regardless of how they're distributed. Second, if they knew it was going to cause this backlash, why would they bother? It's not as if they actually need to save space in their wallets.
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#211135 - 16/09/2004 01:04 Re: Tangent: stock and Google [Re: wfaulk]
753
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But essentially all they're doing is holding onto ten $10 bills instead of a hundred $1 bills.

If I understood it correctely the two class system allows them to hold onto ten $1 bills with 100 votes instead of hundred $1 bills with 100 votes, allowing them to own less of the company but keep as much control as if they would own 10 times as much. Put another way it makes control of the company cheaper and their wallets thicker since they can sell more than 50% of the stock to the public. In a single class system the onedimensional ten $10 bills instead of a hundred $1 bills comparison would be correct because percentual ownership of the company and number of votes qualities are linked, they're the same for all shares. But a two class system breaks the 1:1 link between ownership and control, they're made two seperate qualities which leaves us in a two dimensional space in which shares have to be valuated. The insiders pick the best quadrand for their purpose: cheap power.
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#211136 - 25/10/2004 14:05 Re: Under $3.00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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Back up to $3.13 now, but new 52-week low of $2.96 this AM.
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#211137 - 15/11/2004 10:23 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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Novell produces 'smoking gun'

Amused me this morning - (I know I'm a few days late, but I was busy all weekend )
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#211138 - 18/02/2005 09:00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: frog51]
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Wonder what this will do to SCO's value? Will it drop enough before delisting to bring out a pool winner.
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#211139 - 18/02/2005 11:39 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: frog51]
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Wonder what this will do to SCO's value?

Yep, SCOXE. Dang, gotta fly to Boston today. Have to wait til I get there to see how they fared. The Groklaw thread under delisting has some pretty interesting posts.

April 1 approacheth.
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#211140 - 19/02/2005 04:34 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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As much as I hate to say it, should there be a TiVo Death Watch Pool.....

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#211141 - 19/02/2005 16:57 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JaBZ]
hybrid8
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I think so. I'd also say that at $300 Million (in today's market place) they're seriously over-valued. An article I just read (like so many others) comments on acquisition, but I believe anyone savvy enough would wait for something closer to a firesale.

As I've said before, TiVo still has a lot going for it that other products don't have, but these features are getting fewer and farther between. They're also fairly simple/trivial features to add to already robust software from NDS and Digeo. A lot of people seem to think TiVo is about "the service" - well, it's not. It's all about "the software." The "service" is just the little myth they use to tie you to a monthly bill. Their major recurring cost is listing data supply - and that's a similar cost for everyone in the industry. Companies that have already rolled this cost into their current non-DVR products, and therefore your cable/satellite bill, can afford to deploy DVRs at significantly lower prices (per month, etc..) I'm not saying they will of course. Most of these companies also won't have imediate control of the software and will have to licence it - but given their customer volumes, their per-unit pricing is sure to be very low. NDS/DirecTV having the same parent likely have the sweetest deal going.

Bruno
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#211142 - 21/02/2005 15:11 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: hybrid8]
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This feels a lot like the MSIE/Netscape wars. One product was (at least initially) markedly better, but the one that was easier for people to get won hands-down. Bad news all over. People just don't care about quality anymore. I long for the days when thing were built to last.
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#211143 - 23/02/2005 16:18 NEED ADVICE! Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
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All,

I wasn't even thinking...If SCOXE gets delisted, how to determine stock price??? Are the other listings legit/transparent/trackable? Usable for this contest/pool? I gather that it is common to delist when price drops below $1, but didn't anticipate this circumstance. If I had, I might have made criteria "less than $1 or delisted". Too late now, though.

I do not see for what reason NASDAQ would be motivated to consider a SCOXE appeal. Why would they want to keep a listing that smells like rotten fish? Doesn't do much to enhance the prestige of NASDAQ.

Anyhow, any sound advice from non-entrant stock market experts appreciated.
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#211144 - 24/02/2005 14:00 Re: NEED ADVICE! Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
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John/Rompel,

Feel free to object, but I am leaning toward using delisting as "dollar day". From what I can see, there is no way to track SCO share price accurately after delisting and the $1 price point was picked in great part because it would have been the point that they would fall off the board from delisting due to low price.

Had I to do it again, I certainly would have put "or delisted" in the rules.

This is much less satisfying to me than watching their share price drop to $0.99, but I have no sway over their auditors. I certainly still think that they are still headed for smoldering cinderdom, and that it won't take as long as you think, but that NASDAQ just won't be our guide anymore to the murky death spiral.

Thoughts?
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#211145 - 15/03/2005 17:11 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JaBZ]
JBjorgen
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Looks like TiVo is partnering with Comcast for now. Maybe that'll delay their death for a while.
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#211146 - 17/03/2005 00:35 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JBjorgen]
jimhogan
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Maybe that'll delay their death for a while.

I sold my Tivo. Therefore they are doomed.

In the Wisdom of Solomon Department, I note that tomorrow is the day of SCOXE's NASDAQ delisting hearing. No 10K filing reported yet, but would I be surprised if they filed 7 minutes before their hearing? No.

Oh, so my wise plan, if they *do* get delisted (since they will drop off the charts): One half to the courageous gent who predicted they would survive until April Fool's Day, and the other half to the closest/winning entry using delisting day as the nominal $1 day.

Solomon, eh?
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#211147 - 17/03/2005 19:36 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JBjorgen]
DWallach
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This says it all:
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Financial terms of the multi-year, non-exclusive deal with the Philadelphia-based Comcast were not disclosed.

The skuttlebutt earlier was that Comcast wanted terms that TiVo found unacceptable. Now, they probably crawled back and got even less. Who knows whether TiVo's going to see much revenue from this. The real question for me, as somebody who really likes my TiVo, is whether this move will lead me to dump my DirecTV if and when I can get better TiVo support with a different platform.

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#211148 - 01/04/2005 20:42 Everybody out of the pool... [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
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Well, the date has arrived, the markets have closed, and SCO was even *up* a bit at the end of the day (weird)?

I suppose that this is as good a time as any to tell you all that the pool, the prize -- all of that -- was a practical joke. A hoax, I guess you could say.

Ah, well, thanks for coming!
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#211149 - 01/04/2005 21:48 Re: Everybody out of the pool... [Re: jimhogan]
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#211150 - 01/04/2005 23:18 SCO Lives! [Re: jimhogan]
rompel
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SCO Lives!

I don't think I'd make this bet for another year. Then again, SCO has shown an amazing ability to drag this thing out. They might just make it another year. Let's all hope not!

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I suppose that this is as good a time as any to tell you all that the pool, the prize -- all of that -- was a practical joke. A hoax, I guess you could say.

I suppose you'll be asking PayPal for a refund at some point

Sorry I wasn't paying attention when you wanted to change the rules. Seems they were able to drag things out with NASDAQ too, so the point was moot.

Thanks again for the $50.

--John

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#211151 - 15/07/2005 13:12 Re: SCO Lives! [Re: rompel]
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#211152 - 30/06/2006 20:51 Re: SCO Lives! [Re: bonzi]
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So it's been almost a year now; time to resurrect a SCO thread with this little development.
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#211153 - 13/08/2007 21:09 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
altman
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So how did people do? SCOX is now below $1 quite emphatically (and that makes me very happy, btw)

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#211154 - 13/08/2007 22:56 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: altman]
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How coincidental. We were just talking at lunch about SCO's final crushing defeat and I thought immediately of this old thread.

I didn't do so well with my guesses. I can't believe they drew it out nearly this long. Finally!

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#211155 - 14/08/2007 14:40 Re: SCO Lives! [Re: DLF]
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It still has several claims related to specific code allegedly taken from Unix that were not part of this decision and that will be argued at a trial scheduled for February 2007.

Awesome. I assume that if a trial is set in the past, that means it will never occur.
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#211156 - 15/08/2007 00:06 Re: SCO Lives! [Re: wfaulk]
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Awesome. I assume that if a trial is set in the past, that means it will never occur.

Dunno. Maybe a perfect opportunity for Jean-Claude Van Damme to go back and save the life of a judge or something.

Well, closing at $0.37 US today, looks like SCO's market cap has dropped from about $22 million to ~$8 mill since Friday. Gratifying. I still worry about a UFO landing with 40 tons of gold ingots for Darl (what else hasn't this case seen?) but I'm starting to get comfortable with the notion of SCO's demise.
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#211157 - 15/09/2007 23:45 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: music]
altman
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It's over! (well, hopefully... chapter 11 didn't affect us so much )

SCO Group files for bankruptcy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070914/ap_on_hi_te/sco_group_bankruptcy

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#305494 - 27/12/2007 22:07 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: altman]
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Now it's really over.

SCOX was de-listed from the NASDAQ this morning.

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#307265 - 15/02/2008 01:51 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: music]
jimhogan
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But in a move worthy of George Romero:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080214125705140

Of course this is a proposed $1M financing.

And the link through Bill Gate's buddy seems pretty transparent. We here in the U.S.A. will now once again beg to be saved by the EU Commission.
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#307273 - 15/02/2008 08:08 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
julf
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The Axis of Evil does exist after all!

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#307441 - 19/02/2008 15:08 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: julf]
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Wow. Unbelievable. Bill really hates the penguin doesn't he?


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#323407 - 16/06/2009 21:19 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: music]
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This is a really old thread but SCO still refusing to die. Economic downturn and yet there are people out there who think that investing in SCO is a good idea...

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#325496 - 25/08/2009 23:43 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: tman]
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They just won't go away:

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/08/25/the-roller-scoaster-continues-fight-with-novell-heads-to-trial/

"In any event, the company got a big boost on Monday when the Tenth Circuit ruled that the company has a right to a jury trial on its claim that it owns the Unix operating system. The ruling reversed a lower-court judge who, in 2007, had granted summary judgment against SCO, in favor of defendant Novell Inc."

-jk

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#325501 - 26/08/2009 03:28 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jmwking]
tonyc
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I look forward to one day seeing my grandchildren update this thread.
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#326847 - 20/10/2009 11:32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: tonyc]
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#331596 - 31/03/2010 11:33 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Roger]
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#331597 - 31/03/2010 14:14 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: drakino]
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So how did SCO pay for this lawsuit that took 6 years. Do they make anything ?
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#331598 - 31/03/2010 14:35 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: msaeger]
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#331599 - 31/03/2010 15:28 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: wfaulk]
msaeger
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From the article Bitt linked:

Quote:
"We think, and from talking to Boies, he thinks our case is one aligned nicely for jury trial," McBride said. "You have a big company beating up on a little company. You put that up in front of 12 people in Salt Lake City a year from now, and we like the outcome of that."


Has anyone ever really thought of SCO as David taking on Goliath.

I guess he was wrong.
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#344073 - 06/04/2011 08:57 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: msaeger]
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SCO trading suspended - the saga continues on...
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#353925 - 09/08/2012 07:02 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: frog51]
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... and it's finally the end...
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#353931 - 09/08/2012 13:41 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: BartDG]
canuckInOR
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Originally Posted By: Archeon
... and it's finally the end...

Not really. Chapter 7 is just liquidation of assets. The assets (including the litigation) are being purchased by a bigger corporation with even deeper pockets. At least, that's how I understood it.

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#357973 - 26/03/2013 20:57 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: canuckInOR]
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#358975 - 17/06/2013 18:14 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: frog51]
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#363700 - 18/03/2015 12:54 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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#363704 - 18/03/2015 19:52 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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Heh...I just came in to post that same link smile
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#363712 - 19/03/2015 23:45 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JBjorgen]
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What FOOL started this POOL?

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#366138 - 01/03/2016 16:49 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
canuckInOR
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And... it's done.

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#366139 - 01/03/2016 18:13 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
DWallach
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Well, that only took, what 12 years?

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#366157 - 02/03/2016 18:18 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: DWallach]
canuckInOR
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Practically the blink of an eye!

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#366159 - 02/03/2016 19:29 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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It was a fun re-read of the thread!

Can it really be over?

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#366169 - 03/03/2016 03:46 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
gbeer
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As long as lawyers continue to exist... Likely not.
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#366403 - 31/03/2016 12:49 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
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Looks like the zombie is still twitching....
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#366408 - 31/03/2016 19:20 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
DWallach
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I kinda wonder if Oracle vs. Google (with respect to the use of Java on Android) is in the same boat of "lawsuits that shall never die?"

This might explain why Google has stuck with Java6 (and is now adopting a limited form of Java8 rather than the real deal). Kinda too bad, since Java8 is a much nicer language.

(But Kotlin is even nicer still, and Kotlin works just fine layered atop Java6 and Android.)

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#369681 - 31/10/2017 12:21 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
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The beat goes on!

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#369683 - 31/10/2017 16:54 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
DWallach
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Amazing. Sad. Unsurprising.

Meanwhile, Oracle vs. Google is still on appeal. Google has adopted Java8 for Android but has also adopted Kotlin as a "first class language", which means that Android + Kotlin can and will eventually eliminate Java from the lives of most Android developers in much the same way that Swift has eliminated Objective-C from most iOS developers.

You can see an engineering path, via Kotlin, where all the original Java classes go away, but then Oracle will inevitably find a way to bring "derivative works" into the equation.

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