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#227363 - 16/07/2004 15:00 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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Dibs on 2

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#227364 - 16/07/2004 15:01 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
I'll take two please.

Could we look into shipping a mass order to someone in the US and then distributing from there to save on shipping? Possibly to someone in the States who could also offer installs?
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#227365 - 16/07/2004 15:06 Re: Memory boards [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
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Possibly to someone in the States who could also offer installs?


I'm sure Eutronix Stu will be on the case.
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#227366 - 16/07/2004 15:08 Re: Memory boards [Re: andym]
genixia
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Registered: 08/02/2002
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I might too. I've got to finish up some other stuff first though.
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#227367 - 16/07/2004 15:10 Re: Memory boards [Re: genixia]
russell
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Registered: 22/05/2004
Posts: 50
You can count me in for 1 please
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#227368 - 16/07/2004 15:11 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
Definately 1, possibly 2...
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#227369 - 16/07/2004 15:13 Re: Memory boards [Re: andym]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Wow. It amazes me that so many of us are willing to spend close to 200 bucks on a small RAM upgrade. Maybe i'm missing the huge benefit here, but that's a chunk of change. Someone fill me in... why? Surely it can't be to save drive spinups for wear and tear... a new drive costs less.

Oh, and standard disclaimer applies... i'm not dissing the product since well... as we all know Patrick is THE MAN. Just trying to grok it. I want it but i don't know why. heheh.
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#227370 - 16/07/2004 15:18 Re: Memory boards [Re: loren]
peakmop
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Registered: 02/07/2004
Posts: 95
Loc: 384400 km from the Moon
Quoting famous Jeep motto:
It's a GEEK thing, you wouldn't understand...

Disclamer: no pun intended

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#227371 - 16/07/2004 15:32 Re: Memory boards [Re: loren]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14472
Loc: Canada
I'm going to run an internet web server from it.. need the extra memory for NFS/Apache.

Cheers

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#227372 - 16/07/2004 16:00 Re: Memory boards [Re: genixia]
skibum
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Registered: 27/03/2002
Posts: 248
Loc: Swindon, UK
Don't know. But he'll put it back together in 2 hours
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#227373 - 16/07/2004 16:26 Re: Memory boards [Re: loren]
mcomb
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Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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It amazes me that so many of us are willing to spend close to 200 bucks on a small RAM upgrade.

Agreed, the price seems a little steep compared the the "stack the chips" method, particularly if you don't really feel the need to go beyond 32Megs. What are the advantages of this method? Will these boards be any easier to install? Why are so many people who already have memory upgraded empegs so excited by this?

Of course, I'm probably in for one board myself since I would like some additional memory and it looks like this is going to quickly become the standard way to do it.

-Mike
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#227374 - 16/07/2004 16:27 Re: Memory boards [Re: andym]
pca
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Registered: 20/07/1999
Posts: 1102
Loc: UK
But you don't have to justify it, just buy it

pca
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#227375 - 16/07/2004 16:29 Re: Memory boards [Re: genixia]
pca
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Registered: 20/07/1999
Posts: 1102
Loc: UK
Don't worry, I'm not all that protective. I do after all have a MK2A motherboard here on the desk being used as a power supply

Neatly, of course...

pca
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#227376 - 16/07/2004 16:31 Re: Memory boards [Re: mcomb]
pca
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Loc: UK
What are the advantages of this method?

Primarily, reliability. In an automotive application, vibration will remove patch wires eventually, unless you use a LOT of glue. Plus it will be quicker to assemble and if necessary debug.

pca
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#227377 - 16/07/2004 16:32 Re: Memory boards [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
pca
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Loc: UK
Could we look into shipping a mass order to someone in the US and then distributing from there to save on shipping?

I'm planning on arranging to have a local 'distributor' to do exactly this, on various continents. It will make a lot of things much simpler. I just haven't had a chance to contact the various suspects yet.

pca
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#227378 - 16/07/2004 16:45 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
We have a full shipping facility here. UPS and FedEx make daily pickups.
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#227379 - 16/07/2004 17:11 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
genixia
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Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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What are the advantages of this method?

Primarily, reliability. In an automotive application, vibration will remove patch wires eventually, unless you use a LOT of glue. Plus it will be quicker to assemble and if necessary debug.


Getting to 48MB the other way is difficult, and getting to 64MB incredibly so. 64MB also requires some creativity to deal with the limited clearance between the memory and IDE cable. I raised my drive tray, and peakmop separated his IDE cable so he could move it out of the way. Neither of those measures could be described as routine. Whilst I'm not too concerned with reliability issues for the players that I've done (lots of glue, heh!), the new method should be a much better way to do it.

I'd point out that the 'old' way is still going to be a cost effective 32MB upgrade (~$80 installed) for those who can't justify the (estimated) $240 installed cost of the new 64MB upgrade. Paul still has chips available for those who chose that route. (And it shouldn't preclude an eventual 64 upgrade either).

For anyone questioning the cost of this new method, a 64MB upgrade done the old way would end up costing about the same anyway, ( 3 * $30 chips) + ( 3 * $50 installs) = $240.
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#227380 - 16/07/2004 17:53 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
SonicSnoop
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Registered: 29/06/2002
Posts: 531
Loc: Triangle, VA
Could we use the memory we already have for the empeg? cause I already have a bunch of memory chips for my empeg. But am very interested in this either way.
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#227381 - 16/07/2004 18:38 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
Terminator
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Registered: 12/01/2000
Posts: 1079
Loc: Dallas, TX
Sign me up!

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#227382 - 16/07/2004 19:32 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
Laura
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Registered: 16/06/2000
Posts: 1682
Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
Yep, count me in for 2.
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#227383 - 16/07/2004 19:34 Re: Memory boards [Re: mcomb]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14472
Loc: Canada
My own plan is to get one of these upgrade boards from Patrick, and then find some willing bloke to send me their player so I can install it and test Hijack on it -- making any Hijack changes as required to get it all nicely supported. And then to return the upgraded player to whomever loaned it. They pay for the parts, but not for the actual installation.

For my own players, I'm sticking with one set (16MB) of stacked add-on memory. I'm not wealthy enough to actually install the 64MB kits onto all of my own players!

Cheers

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#227384 - 16/07/2004 20:05 Re: Memory boards [Re: mlord]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
I understand the reliability side... but no one (save for Mark and his webserver) has really justified why you'd need more RAM in the first place. Help me out folks, i'm trying to justify the cost to myself here!
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#227385 - 16/07/2004 20:09 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
I'm up for one kit.

And Loren, more memory also allows use of larger music databases. Think of it this way, in theory, a 100 gig player filled with typical music would have a database 5 times larger then a 20 gig player. Thus, less cache. Bu upgrading to 32, or 64, you return the player to a state where it has plenty of cache room, and also has enough memory to do the database rebuilds. It was discussed at the meet that database rebuilds don't currently enable swap, leading to some of the crash issues in 3.0 alpha on database rebuilds, due to the memory overhead of the player app running.

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#227386 - 16/07/2004 20:13 Re: Memory boards [Re: loren]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14472
Loc: Canada
Well, once units with 32MB or more become common, I fully intend on adding some major new functionality to the hijack kernels. The kinds of stuff I've held off in the past due to memory consumption.

You know.. like vertical playlist menus.. NFS server (just a kernel config option), etc..

Cheers

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#227387 - 16/07/2004 20:31 Re: Memory boards [Re: mlord]
rtundo
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Registered: 27/02/2001
Posts: 569
Loc: Albany, NY
I volunteer my unit if you want Mark. It's been out of my car recently and sitting in the house. Need to tighten up the mounting a little but much too busy at the moment. It has Ver 2 software but if you want to use it feel free to install any version you want. Just let me know what you want to do. (This means I'm in for one board )

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#227388 - 16/07/2004 21:34 Re: Memory boards [Re: mlord]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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You know.. like vertical playlist menus.

SOLD! haha.
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#227389 - 16/07/2004 23:08 Re: Memory boards [Re: loren]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
If I play my root playlist on my Rio, it won't remember it between reboots. My empeg (mk2) won't even play the root playlist in the first place. I'm hoping that more RAM will help this. Either way, database rebuilds are painful. Mark has mentioned the web server stuff will be faster, and I've been getting more use out of that as well.

Hard drives are cheaper, but data is priceless.
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#227390 - 16/07/2004 23:23 Re: Memory boards [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Isn't the can't remember the playlist problem to do with lack of space in the dynamic data partition? The space reserved for the current playlist has a hard limit. Extra RAM won't help in this case. You'll need to get the empeg guys to see about modifying the format of the dynamic data partition.

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#227391 - 16/07/2004 23:27 Re: Memory boards [Re: tman]
genixia
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Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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Isn't the can't remember the playlist problem to do with lack of space in the dynamic data partition?

I believe that it is. Certainly Paul's players don't remember a large running order over a reboot, even with 48MB RAM.
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#227392 - 16/07/2004 23:28 Re: Memory boards [Re: pca]
Jonathan
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Registered: 03/01/2002
Posts: 24
Loc: Skövde, Sweden
Need any more response? I want one!

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