#227423 - 19/07/2004 12:27
Re: Memory boards
[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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So I guess the dynamic data partition is used to store info between reboots and must be smaller than the 16mb used by the RioCar to load the playlist during operation? How hard would it be to get a larger data partition from the Build Brothers?
Repartitioning disks without hosing content is reasonably hard. But the use made of the dynamic data partition isn't very efficient, so we could rearrange it to give more of its space to saved running-order. In fact, we've been threatening to do this for the whole of the v3 era, and it wouldn't surprise me if I'd threatened to do it for v2 final. But I just haven't got round to it.
Without a lot of work (which isn't going to happen) to v2, such a rearrangement would completely bork anyone who switched back from v3 to v2.
Edit: Well, I say "completely" bork; it'd bork their bookmarks and play counts. Whether that counts as complete borkage depends on one's individual bork threshold.
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#227424 - 19/07/2004 13:30
Re: Memory boards
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/01/2000
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Loc: London, UK
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Repartitioning disks without hosing content is reasonably hard.
But if one was prepared to hose one's content, could one just make the dynamic data partition larger? Would the player use the extra? I don't remember.
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#227425 - 19/07/2004 13:32
Re: Memory boards
[Re: Roger]
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carpal tunnel
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Or if one was starting with a fresh set of drives... Say, 100GB drives for example...
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#227426 - 19/07/2004 13:39
Re: Memory boards
[Re: Roger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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But if one was prepared to hose one's content, could one just make the dynamic data partition larger? Would the player use the extra? I don't remember.
Not at present, no. And the stored running-order comes at the beginning, not the end; changing the code to stat the partition to find the endstop would solve the 28K limit on total fids but not the limit on stored running-order sizes.
Peter
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#227427 - 19/07/2004 14:43
Re: Memory boards
[Re: peter]
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enthusiast
Registered: 27/03/2002
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Loc: Swindon, UK
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Surely changing the code to use only the bytes it needs, rather than all 512 would be a good idea as well. Doesn't each entry only use 32 or 64 bytes (can't remember which).
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#227428 - 19/07/2004 14:48
Re: Memory boards
[Re: skibum]
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carpal tunnel
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Surely changing the code to use only the bytes it needs, rather than all 512 would be a good idea as well. Doesn't each entry only use 32 or 64 bytes (can't remember which).
It's certainly not very much, but the point of using 512 is that it's one sector and can be written atomically; that is, screwing up a write (due to powerfail) can only affect one track's information, not all its neighbours too. But yes, this consideration is probably not worth it, compared to the problems people are having with >256K running-orders. Reducing the FID-dynamic data space and handing the free space over to running-order storage is exactly the plan for, er, sometime in v3.
Peter
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#227429 - 19/07/2004 15:16
Re: Memory boards
[Re: pca]
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journeyman
Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 51
Loc: CA, USA
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I want one too!
(BBS admin: add a $ sign post icon, it would make "me too" threads easier to read when we're buying stuff... maybe...)
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#227430 - 19/07/2004 15:38
Re: Memory boards
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14477
Loc: Canada
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It's certainly not very much, but the point of using 512 is that it's one sector and can be written atomically
Actually, that has not been true for most of the past decade or so.. Internally, most IDE drives will rewrite the entire physical track, or a large portion of it, when "rewriting just one sector".
Cheers
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#227432 - 21/07/2004 02:35
Re: Memory boards
[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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How about Head Honcho Red Coloured Name guy?  (ObOnTopic: Me too. Not that I need the RAM, yet -- I just like having a car stereo that's more powerful than my desktop computers.)
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#227433 - 21/07/2004 03:50
Re: Memory boards
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journeyman
Registered: 02/07/2004
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I just like having a car stereo that's more powerful than my desktop computers.)
Here's a thought - since we are on the memory redesign, how about CPU - is it conceivable to upgrade to, say PXA255 XScale 400MHz? Then something crazy like video-4-empeg would be within reach 
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#227434 - 21/07/2004 05:24
Re: Memory boards
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carpal tunnel
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Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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400Mhz ? Even my Pocket PC has a faster XScale than that My 624Mhz Pocket PC is the second fastest processor I own...
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#227435 - 21/07/2004 11:28
Re: Memory boards
[Re: peakmop]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
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PXA255 isn't pin compatible with the StrongARM SA1100 inside the empeg so that'd be one ugly expansion board 
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#227437 - 21/07/2004 13:00
Re: Memory boards
[Re: andym]
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addict
Registered: 27/12/2001
Posts: 441
Loc: Central, NC, USA
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What would be cool for a empeg redesign is a pullout screen the a little larger than the size of the Rio Central screen.
Sean in NC
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#227438 - 21/07/2004 14:28
Re: Memory boards
[Re: pca]
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Registered: 30/01/2002
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Loc: Tucson, AZ
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ONE..........Thanks
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#227439 - 21/07/2004 16:19
Re: Memory boards
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Master Boot Logo(er)
Registered: 26/08/2003
Posts: 525
Loc: California
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What would be cool for a empeg redesign is a pullout screen the a little larger than the size of the Rio Central screen.
You mean like this?
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#227441 - 21/07/2004 16:27
Re: Memory boards
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 06/10/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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Anyone interested?
Two, please!
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#227442 - 21/07/2004 16:49
Re: Memory boards
[Re: Skunk]
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Registered: 27/03/2002
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Loc: Swindon, UK
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Skunk, when are you producing those? cos I'll take a couple.
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#227443 - 21/07/2004 17:54
Re: Memory boards
[Re: skibum]
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Skunk, when are you producing those?
I was hoping the cambridge folks would do that for me.
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#227445 - 22/07/2004 16:01
Re: Memory boards
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old hand
Registered: 30/07/2001
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Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
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I'd like one. Perhaps two.
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#227446 - 23/07/2004 03:46
Re: Memory boards
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
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I'm interested in one maybe two depending on final price. I'm still looking for an empeg to replace my stolen one.
Calvin
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#227447 - 24/07/2004 15:49
Re: Memory boards
[Re: pca]
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old hand
Registered: 30/07/2000
Posts: 879
Loc: Germany (Ruhrgebiet)
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@PCA: I will take two, maybe three (plan on buying a third player :-D)
@mlord: If you want, I can borrow either my mkII or my mkIIa for you hijack updates:-)
cu,
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#227448 - 26/07/2004 11:11
Re: Memory boards
[Re: mlord]
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member
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Oh yeah! Count me in!
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#227449 - 26/07/2004 21:10
Re: Memory boards
[Re: clsmith]
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Registered: 28/12/2001
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Two for me please. I presume a web site will appear in due course? Also, whats the tuner count upto now?
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#227450 - 02/08/2004 01:15
Re: Memory boards
[Re: pca]
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enthusiast
Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 345
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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i'm interested in 1 maybe 2 boards.
Do you need help setting up a web site for taking orders? i work at an isp doing web programming.
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#227451 - 03/08/2004 02:44
Re: Memory boards
[Re: CHiP]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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Do you need help setting up a web site for taking orders?
Presumably he'd use the same site he did for taking tuner orders.
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#227452 - 03/08/2004 15:48
Re: Memory boards
[Re: pca]
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journeyman
Registered: 23/08/2002
Posts: 93
Loc: South Texas
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Greetings PCA,
I am interested in aquiring one or two.
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