#229614 - 05/08/2004 09:45
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: anti]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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Why are you running Beta13 ? You should install 2.00final.
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#229615 - 05/08/2004 11:30
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Why are you running Beta13 ? You should install 2.00final.
Yeah, what he said. There are a ton of fixes in 2.00 final that aren't even in the v3 alphas. I did very limited testing with 2.0b13 a long time ago, and didn't find anything extremely incompatible, but to be sure, please consider upgrading to v2.
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#229616 - 05/08/2004 11:55
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mvigneau]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14474
Loc: Canada
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try again without the "quote" part.
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#229617 - 05/08/2004 13:37
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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It wasn't working because kftpd is trying to exec /bin/sh to then run the specified command. /bin/sh doesn't exist on a consumer release of the empeg software. I'm trying to think of any particular reason to use the consumer release instead of the developer release. The only one I can think of at the moment is that it's slightly smaller to download 
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#229618 - 05/08/2004 15:51
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I'm trying to think of any particular reason to use the consumer release instead of the developer release. The only one I can think of at the moment is that it's slightly smaller to download
Yeah. For what it's worth, I've added "developer image" to the requirements for emphatic.
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#229619 - 05/08/2004 17:41
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Are you running something else right now that you'd want to use while emphatic is running, or are you just speaking hypothetically?
gpsapp is the only other thing I am running at the moment that would be a likely candidate. But, I'm not sure how well the two would play together anyway. To be useful, gpsapp would have to be able to take over the screen to give directions even if emphatic was currently scrolling song info. At that point you need more of a windowing system where multiple apps can draw to the screen at the same time and I realize that adds another layer of complexity to hijack that probably isn't worth the trouble. I guess hijack could do something cooperative where when an app wanted to grab the screen it could specify a priority and the highest priority wins total control of the display.
The nagging (hypothetical) concern in the back of my mind is that an appliication like emphatic that wants to be running all the time discourages development of other applications because it takes exclusive control of the empegs limited resources.
-Mike
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#229620 - 05/08/2004 18:30
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
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After trying for quite a while to get emphatic and GPSapp playing nice together (with both of them launching at boot-up), I have switched to using Launcher instead, and now I can choose either one to launch on command. I've found this to be a decent compromise.
Edited by tonyc (05/08/2004 19:05)
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#229621 - 05/08/2004 18:51
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tfabris]
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Master Boot Logo(er)
Registered: 26/08/2003
Posts: 525
Loc: California
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Launcher?
Tony, can you please fill me in?
Both empacman and emphatic start at the same time on boot for me. (They both function by the way, running at the same time without crashing or freezing with empacman bieng in the background.)
I usually let empacman ends on it's own or I found that if you quick press the rotary button once, empacman goes away.
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#229622 - 05/08/2004 18:56
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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I'm not sure if this is a bug or by design, but is there a reason emphatic always turns off the visuals auto change feature when it starts up?
-Mike
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#229623 - 05/08/2004 18:56
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: Skunk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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I think we need an emphatic boot animation! 
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#229624 - 05/08/2004 18:58
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: Skunk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Launcher is a third-party application written by CanuckInLA that binds to the hijack menu as the only thing running in memory at that time. From that, you can choose to launch any programs you've configured within it. Here's a thread where I talk about it, but I don't have a link handy for you to download it. Launcher may have recently become obsoleted by Mark's completion of the Menu_exec feature, but I haven't tried that feature yet so I don't know quite how it works.
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#229625 - 05/08/2004 19:05
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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The nagging (hypothetical) concern in the back of my mind is that an appliication like emphatic that wants to be running all the time discourages development of other applications because it takes exclusive control of the empegs limited resources.
-Mike
Yeah, that's a nagging concern of mine as well, and I asked for a solution to it in this thread. But there were still unresolved issues with the design of exactly how it would work. We got pretty far through some of the higher-level thinking, but when it came to "how do we actually code this so that it would work" things got stuck.
Without some way for the user to explicitly (and without a lot of effort) switch between which app is in the foreground, or the ability to have 2 or more apps write to different sections of the screen at the same time, I don't see how running multiple apps at one time can be practical.
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#229626 - 05/08/2004 19:09
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I'm not sure if this is a bug or by design, but is there a reason emphatic always turns off the visuals auto change feature when it starts up?
The only things it should be doing on startup are:
1. Switch to Info:Off
2. Select the visual of the first display mode.
It's possible it's getting hung up on the visual selection. The only way I can select a specific visual is by sending IR codes to invoke the player menu. If it's landing on the wrong menu item, then it's possible the menus aren't always acting the same, or IR codes are being lost or something.
Edit: Okay, you're running v3a7, which is what I did 99% of my development on. So I think maybe the IR codes aren't all getting through properly. I think I'll slow down the rate at which I send them in the next version to see if that helps things along.
Edited by tonyc (05/08/2004 19:11)
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#229627 - 05/08/2004 19:13
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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2. Select the visual of the first display mode.
Bingo, that isn't happening so it must be getting the wrong menu item. I can see it going through the menus as you send IR codes and its clearly selecting the auto change menu and then off rather than my selected visual (Image Pan). I'm running v3a7.
-Mike
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#229628 - 05/08/2004 19:14
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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All the time? I see this happen sometimes (maybe 1 out of every 5 tries) in my car but not on AC at home. Which is strange...
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#229629 - 05/08/2004 19:17
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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All the time?
Seems to be consistent. I just did it five times in a row.
-Mike
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#229630 - 05/08/2004 19:21
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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Master Boot Logo(er)
Registered: 26/08/2003
Posts: 525
Loc: California
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I think this was mentioned before but if you have anything selected other than "off" on the player's menu>shuffle, emphatic will shuffle (if shuffle is selected in emphatic) by album and not songs.
Is this a feature or bug?
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#229631 - 05/08/2004 19:23
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Seems to be consistent. I just did it five times in a row.
-Mike
D'oh. Strange that it would be that consistent. Can you do the following for me? Without emphatic rnning, enter the following button presses (you'll need a remote handy):
Bottom
4
Bottom
3
Left
Bottom
Where do you land? You should be in the visuals by name menu. That's the sequence emphatic is sending. If you land somewhere else then something funky is going on. Otherwise, I'll have to think about slowing down the rate at which I'm sending IR codes.
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#229632 - 05/08/2004 19:24
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: Skunk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I think this was mentioned before but if you have anything selected other than "off" on the player's menu>shuffle, emphatic will shuffle (if shuffle is selected in emphatic) by album and not songs.
Is this a feature or bug?
Say what?
All "shuffle" from within emphatic does is send a Zero IR code. Which toggles between "shuffle off" and "whatever shuffle mode you last selected."
What is "shuffle by album?" Sounds like an oft-requested feature that doesn't exist on the empeg.
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#229633 - 05/08/2004 19:29
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Bottom
4
Bottom
3
Left
Bottom
Gets me...
Playlists
Visuals
By Type
By Type (nothing happens when I press 3)
Auto Change
Off
-Mike
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#229634 - 05/08/2004 19:31
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Gets me...
By Type (nothing happens when I press 3)
Aw, crap. Let me guess, you don't have any Favorite Visuals defined?
Looks like I made an assumption that the "Favorites" menu option would be there, but apparently, it disappears.
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#229635 - 05/08/2004 19:40
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Aw, crap. Let me guess, you don't have any Favorite Visuals defined?
Yeah, you're right. I've never bothered with the favorite visual feature (forgot it even existed actually).
-Mike
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#229636 - 05/08/2004 20:01
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Okay, I'll have to pick another way of landing on the visuals by name option. It'll probably be hitting 7 instead of 3 to land on "Select Mode" and then going left twice, but I need to test that on a v2 player, as I have a faint memory of the Visuals menu changing quite a bit between v2 and v3. I hope I can find something that works for both so I don't have to code special cases.
If you want, you can delete the "visual=" attribute from the display mode(s) and it won't bother switching visuals.
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#229637 - 05/08/2004 20:14
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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Master Boot Logo(er)
Registered: 26/08/2003
Posts: 525
Loc: California
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Actually I should of said Artist not Album. Never mind. It was past lunch and I was very hungry. I think the player was forcing shuffle "off" even though on emphatic's display I had an "s" for shuffle mode. I can not duplicate the behavior so it must of been "user error" 
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#229638 - 05/08/2004 20:29
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tfabris]
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Master Boot Logo(er)
Registered: 26/08/2003
Posts: 525
Loc: California
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Found it Tony thanks.
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Launcher may have recently become obsoleted by Mark's completion of the Menu_exec feature, but I haven't tried that feature yet so I don't know quite how it works
That's funny. I know I've seen the feature in Hijack but is no longer there?!?!
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#229639 - 05/08/2004 21:02
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: Skunk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Try Hijack's feature first, rather than worrying about installing Launcher. It might be better and easier. I just haven't tried it yet.
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#229640 - 05/08/2004 21:13
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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enthusiast
Registered: 26/01/2002
Posts: 278
Loc: Massachusetts,USA
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Tony, I was having a problem running previous version in the car(DC mode).Do you know what caused it or if it works in the car/DC mode?I haven't reinstalled it yet to check it out.
Also does it matter where it gets installed eg:/usr/local/bin or can it be as simple as /programs ?
Edited by newguy1 (05/08/2004 21:14)
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#229641 - 05/08/2004 21:59
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: newguy1]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I honestly don't know what caused it, but I recommend you try v2.01 and see how it goes. I have one other report of problems in the car, and I'm working on getting some more info.
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#229642 - 05/08/2004 22:22
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: Skunk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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I should of said
"should've" or "should have"
Quote:
it must of been
"must've" or "must have"
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#229643 - 05/08/2004 22:26
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: newguy1]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
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You might want to set your serial port rate to be 115200 in car mode and make sure that hijack has supress_notify=1. That might help DC mode problems.
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