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#241470 - 17/11/2004 21:14 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: mlord]
webroach
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get the top and bottom edges more similar in thickness


They look pretty close right now, though the top may be just a bit too thin.

Remember, the handle will also be present, making the bottom edge MUCH thicker than just the facia alone.

Cheers


EGADS!!! You're right. I hadn't thought of that either.

Brandon and I will do some measurements and correct the problem. May be this weekend before precise mods can be made, but we should be able to have close mock up in a day or two.
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#241471 - 17/11/2004 21:20 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: mdavey]
webroach
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My post was meant to be very much tongue-in-cheek however there is one detail I would like to see:




I have to be honest. Neither Brandon or I are too keen on the little under-knob radius. Don't get me wrong, it works on that fascia, but we feel that it's a little too much of a curvy-oraganic-y element for this one.

One thing to keep in mind; with enough interest / support, we have no problem doing more than one design. Let me just make it clear that we can NOT do one offs.

Well, ok, we can do one offs. You don't want to see the price tag, though. It would be a choice between the one off fascia or a empeg display board.
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#241472 - 17/11/2004 21:24 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: mcomb]
webroach
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I actually like the modifications, and I'm gonna run it past my partner tomorrow. I'd love to get thoughts from everyone....


Looks great, the only comment I'd have is that the upper left looks a bit bulky....


Yeah, we both (Brandon and I) agree, but we can't figure out how to solve it. We don't hate it, but it is a bit "heavy". The problem we run into is that doing anything interesting up there costs. And costs $$$$. As it is, the orignial buttons have been a hassle, but we're dedicated to keeping them. And to not letting them push up the price of the final product.
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#241473 - 17/11/2004 22:14 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
Taym
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It looks great! I'd buy one too. Ideally, I'd buy one of each kind, and, depending on their cost, I may actually do so.
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#241474 - 17/11/2004 22:37 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: Taym]
Ian Whelan
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I am definitely interested in one of these facsias but cost would be the deciding factor for me on how soon I could purchase one.
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#241475 - 17/11/2004 22:48 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: mdavey]
hybrid8
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I definitely don't like the indent to the left of the knob when applied to this design. This design works so well (as did the 303 Newface) because it's consistent. Horizontal and vertical lines complemented by radiused corners. Most other changes just disturb the design unfortunately.

Also, the IR island idea was something else I played with and didn't bother to suggest. It blocks the LED. (though you'd likely still see the glow).

I believe the top is not too thin either. If it were the same size as the bottom PLUS handle, it would look too heavy. Remember that even though the handle is down there, you'll always see a line between it and the fascia. You'll also have to have some type of depression to allow pulling the handle out (as 303 did on his). If it's left completely flush it's going to be really hard to grab the handle.

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#241476 - 18/11/2004 01:44 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: hybrid8]
webroach
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You'll also have to have some type of depression to allow pulling the handle out (as 303 did on his). If it's left completely flush it's going to be really hard to grab the handle.


Don't worry, it'll be there.
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#241477 - 18/11/2004 11:02 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
petteri
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I too would be interested in this. I may buy two if the price isn't too bad.

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#241478 - 21/11/2004 10:13 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: petteri]
webroach
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I too would be interested in this. I may buy two if the price isn't too bad.


I'm glad there's been so much interest, as is my friend Brandon.

As far as price goes, we haven't locked it down yet, but it should be very reasonable. We're not looking to get rich on this or anything.

The one thing that will probably affect price the most will be choice of finish. Now, I know that the NewFace was the same no matter what finish you chose. I'm not sure how he did that, because getting something anodized / plated costs money. But again, the basic finishes shouldn't be much of an additional cost.

This brings us to non-basic finishes. I'm working on something, and I don't know if it'll work out, but if it does, I think people will be VERY happy. And I'd like to think that will be an understatement. I know that, at least for myself, my head will explode if I can get what I'm working on done. Of course, this is still a big maybe, and I don't think I'll say more until I either have a sample in my hand or a firm "No, can't be done".

As for the standard anodized finishes, I'm working on getting quality scans of the sample plates. This is proving to be a daunting task. I'll keep working at it though. I'll also have updated CAD shots shortly so people can see what we've settled on as a final design (barring any absolutly necessary fixes).
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#241479 - 21/11/2004 10:25 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
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Ok, updated CAD shot. This is head on.



Please note, the roughness (especially around the inner part of the knob cutout) is a display issue, not design. It's very round in reality.


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#241480 - 21/11/2004 10:27 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
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Front again, but at an angle to give an idea of the dimensions.



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#241481 - 21/11/2004 10:28 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
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And the rear, at an angle.



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#241482 - 21/11/2004 10:52 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
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Ok, this is the best I could get for images on the finish. My scanner does NOT like these plates for some reason. Gives a general idea of color ranges, though.

This is the three together...



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#241483 - 21/11/2004 10:53 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
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Red...



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#241484 - 21/11/2004 10:54 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
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Blue...



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#241485 - 21/11/2004 10:55 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
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...and black. You can sort of see the brushed pattern in this one.



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#241486 - 21/11/2004 15:43 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
hybrid8
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303 did have different prices. The unfinished one was cheaper than all the others. His site should still be up...

http://www.by-photos.de/NewFace.html

Bruno
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#241487 - 21/11/2004 15:49 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: hybrid8]
webroach
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Wow. Not sure how I missed that, Bruno. Thanks! I feel a ton better now.
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#241488 - 21/11/2004 20:47 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
FireFox31
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Cool, but which finish is which on the plates? Bottom = brushed? Mid = polished? Top = unfinished?
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#241489 - 21/11/2004 22:57 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: FireFox31]
webroach
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Cool, but which finish is which on the plates? Bottom = brushed? Mid = polished? Top = unfinished?




That'll teach me to post after not sleeping for over 24 hours.

In each photo, it is Brushed, Bead-Blasted, then DA (the kinda swirly finish).

Sadly, the photos don't properly show the finishes, and I can't seem to get a goot shot that does.

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#241490 - 22/11/2004 02:49 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
hybrid8
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If you want to get more accurate photos up as samples (soon or eventually) and can't get them right, let me know and I'd be glad to do it for you. You just need to send me the sample plates. I should be able to get something that looks true-to-life.

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#241491 - 27/11/2004 09:00 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: hybrid8]
mtempsch
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Ooooh yeah.... I can SO see some more brushed alu bits in the Peugeot.... and also get to use the blue uttons I got so long back from Brian.... Happy happy joy joy!
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#241492 - 08/12/2004 18:34 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: mtempsch]
Nils Heidorn
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Registered: 08/12/2004
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Hi there !
Hmmm, could someone be so nice to do a scan of an original "NewFace" Plate (AluFace/PolFace/AnoFace) ?
( Or a good Digipic done at an exact 90 angle ) ?
This would be *great* as i may have access to a laser cutter the next days.
Of course it would be even greater to have a digital drawing / Cad file or the like from a nice faceplate.

And just another Question, do you know of anyone still supplying an illuminated button solution ?

Thanks,

Nils

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#241493 - 08/12/2004 18:48 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: Nils Heidorn]
JBjorgen
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Welcome Nils. I can't help you with the newface, but I'll try to help a bit with the button query. If you follow the Eutronix link at the top of the page, it will take you to a place where they offer the kit and/or service to install the LED's necessary to have lit buttons. There is noone producing buttons at present, as Brian, the guy that used to do them (and is linked at the top of the page) seems to have stopped producing them. Firefox31 has been working for several months with casters and prototypers to get more produced. There should be some availible within the next few months for purchase. Watch the Announcements board and the Projects board for further developments. I believe this thread has the latest progress update.
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#241494 - 08/12/2004 20:38 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: JBjorgen]
Nils Heidorn
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Hi JBjorgen
thanks for the welcome, but i was in the BBS earlier before
Somehow my login wasnt working, so i registered newly.
I had one of the very first MK 1 Units ( don't remember which number ) and i traded in for the MK 2 Number 5.

Until recently i was just catching up with every new Hijack Kernel, but now i updated to 3.0 alpha8, so there is need to browse through the BBS again
AND i realized that i want an updated Design ( Buttons / Brushed Aluminium Faceplate ) for my latest car.
So thats why i start squeeking again

Okay, so i will check this thread and the buttons thread regularly, such a pity, when i carve a new faceplate now it probably won't fit the soon-to-be buttons.

Well, hopefully someone can scan a Faceplate, preferably a NewFace ( i *love* that design ), so i can sharpen the 'ol Laser

Greetings,

Nils

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#241495 - 08/12/2004 21:59 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: Nils Heidorn]
FireFox31
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Awesome to hear that you have MKII number 5. I always wonder where those early units are.

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when i carve a new faceplate now it probably won't fit the soon-to-be buttons.

The new metal fascia that webroach is creating will have standard button openings, to fit the buttons that come with the player. The lit buttons I am creating will also be standard size and will be compatible with the webroach fascias. Everything will work together
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#241496 - 09/12/2004 04:03 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: FireFox31]
webroach
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On that... sorry to all for the lack of updates lately. Finals are killing me, and I've had to throw most of my attention towards them. Should be over after Monday, and we can get things rolling a bit faster.
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#241497 - 09/12/2004 06:12 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: webroach]
mtempsch
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We have no understanding whatsoever ... How dare you have a life... They just tend to be a beach anyway, and toss spanners into the best laid plans. Probably a variant of "no plan survives first enemy contact"
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#241498 - 09/12/2004 06:37 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: FireFox31]
Nils Heidorn
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Registered: 08/12/2004
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The new metal fascia that webroach is creating will have standard button openings, to fit the buttons that come with the player. The lit buttons I am creating will also be standard size and will be compatible with the webroach fascias. Everything will work together




G-REAT !

Now does someone at least HAVE a NewFace or was that product never even sold ?!


Of course i have the screens from the website, but i wouldhate producing a crappy cutting template from those pics alone...

Bye,

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#241499 - 09/12/2004 09:08 Re: "Go or No" Time for New Fascias [Re: Nils Heidorn]
mtempsch
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G-REAT !

Now does someone at least HAVE a NewFace or was that product never even sold ?!


Of course i have the screens from the website, but i wouldhate producing a crappy cutting template from those pics alone...

Bye,

Nils


Yes it was sold, though I don't think in very large numbers (relatively speaking,even with empeg measurements). I have a black one - and would be happy to toss it on a scanner, but my mobilityand finger-dexterity is currently somewhat limited (life, beach, spanners...)Given a couple of days I might enlist thssistance of a co-worker, but don't expect anything from my end before mid next week. I'll keep an eye on this thread and see if someone beats me to it...
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