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#292690 - 25/01/2007 01:05 Display Extender Interest
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 826
Loc: Texas, USA
Thanks to MarkM, Stu, and Patrick, I'm hoping to have a few of these board made. Would anyone else be interested? I'm guessing they'll be around $300-$400 for the set of 2 boards (sender and receiver) but we'll know more once Stu has a chance to conduct some prototyping magic.


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#292691 - 25/01/2007 01:59 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
caseyse
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Registered: 07/10/2000
Posts: 111
Loc: CA, USA
I would be interested in a couple. What's the max. distance with reliable operation?

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#292692 - 25/01/2007 03:56 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: caseyse]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
I have tested these to 100 feet. It's the installation of feeding cable under carpeting that's time consuming.

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#292693 - 25/01/2007 05:02 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
juenk
journeyman

Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 83
Loc: Utrecht, The Netherlands
Sound interesting (no promise yet!) for me as well. How do you control the player (e.g. when trunk mounted)? I presume the board only gives a remote display, not remote 'control'?

Jelle

nb: I do have a now disused original rio tuner, could that be useful for this?
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#292694 - 25/01/2007 05:10 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: juenk]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA
One extender board is mounted to the empeg, the other board is mounted to the display. All front panel controls work. This allows for mounting the display in tighter spaces - dash, center console, headliner, etc.

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#292695 - 25/01/2007 06:17 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: juenk]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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I presume the board only gives a remote display, not remote 'control'?

Actually, a better name for it would be "Front panel extender", it means the empeg's "body" gets trunk mounted, and the entire front panel "face" (complete with buttons, knob, and IR transceiver) is at the end of a long ribbon cable.
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#292696 - 25/01/2007 06:22 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: tfabris]
juenk
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Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 83
Loc: Utrecht, The Netherlands
Very nice, is the 'connector' at the display side of the ribbon strong enough to be used as 'removable' front plate (like most aftemarket radios)?

Jelle
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#292697 - 25/01/2007 06:48 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: juenk]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
Probably, but the connector type used isn't very handy for quick disconnects. I'd also be a little concerned with static discharge. I have killed a few of these board sets over the years, but I can't recall which components have failed.

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#292698 - 27/01/2007 14:54 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2491
Loc: East Coast, USA
Wow, that's quite a professional product. How'd I miss this project during development?

Detachable like a face plate would be amazing for stealth installs.

Does this supply the necessary power to allow lit buttons to light up?

Good work!!
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#292699 - 27/01/2007 16:23 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: FireFox31]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 826
Loc: Texas, USA
I actually wasn't aware of it either. I had been asking Stu about the possibility of an extender and he showed me the link to MarkM's original post. It was an Empeg newb back then so I completely missed it.

On the button lights, good question. Perhaps MarkM or Stu can answer. I'm guessing so. I just placed an order for 10 sets of pcb boards so we will find out in a couple of months.

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#292700 - 27/01/2007 20:44 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: FireFox31]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
This design has been kept private for several years. I just got permission to share it with the public.

BTW - I haven't used an extender set with button lights.

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#292701 - 01/02/2007 02:29 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
FireFox31
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I'm curious about the use of the extender. With the empeg metalwork in the trunk, you still have a DIN sized faceplate with a moderate thickness to put somewhere. That would require a big external housing to sit on the dash, or a DIN slot to sit in the dash. I know of one example where the shorter depth would help, the Volvo S40/V50 thin dash panel. But is it really that common?
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#292702 - 01/02/2007 04:03 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: FireFox31]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
One common application was to make a pod that molded into the dash. We'd remove the air vent plastics and create a hollow plug on the bottom of the pod. This was a friction fit with the cable running under the dash, though the air vent and into the nice looking pod. The pod of course was covered in vinyl or leather to match the dash. When the car is sold, there's not much to do, just pull some cable out and replace the factory plastics.

There were other applications where we mounted the display in a vinyl box. Some cars had depth issues. I could see this design used in classic cars, exotics, or customs. You could put it in a small glove compartment or center console.

If the empeg fits in the dash, by all mean do that! Our installations almost always retained the factory system and hacked the empeg audio into the main system with a audio switch. The main goal was to provide access and visibility to the display without hacking into an expensive vehicle's dash or console.

Hope this helps.

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#292703 - 01/02/2007 15:45 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: FireFox31]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3414
Loc: Guadalajara, MX
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But is it really that common?

I could see this being quite handy for an overhead console install. You could put the display in the sunglass holder and then flip it up when you are leaving the vehicle to conceal its presence.
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#292704 - 01/02/2007 16:45 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: JBjorgen]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 30694
Loc: Seattle, WA
In a sense, it turns the empeg into something about the size of an ipod or a satellite radio receiver. There are plenty of interesting car mounting options for that sort of thing. People velcro them to the dash, hang them from vents, stick them in cup holders, that sort of thing.
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#292705 - 01/02/2007 18:20 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: FireFox31]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 826
Loc: Texas, USA
Or you could install in a sun visor or center console (About half way down the page)

http://www.installer.com/pics/instpics.html

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#292706 - 01/02/2007 20:49 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
BAKup
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Registered: 11/11/2001
Posts: 552
Loc: Houston, TX
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Or you could install in a sun visor or center console (About half way down the page)

http://www.installer.com/pics/instpics.html


These are the people I used to have my Empeg installed in my car(No, that pic of the empeg isn't my car). They managed to shoehorn in some 6" speakers in the front doors of my little Aveo. I've been meaning to see if somehow they can put a sub in the back without taking up too much space.
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#292707 - 02/02/2007 04:48 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA
A sun visor install would be a little rough for the display extender. It's a little thick and heavy, unless you want to drive with the visor down all of the time. Plus there's that ribbon cable to hide. I must admit that a different cable connector on the display side could make the package smaller.

I like the idea of stashing it in the sunglasses holder located in the headliner console of some cars.

It kind of goes without saying, but I forgot to mention in an earlier post about dash mounting - please avoid any airbag locations. It would be dangerous to have a display shooting through the inside of your car.

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#292708 - 02/02/2007 13:51 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: MarkM]
EtN
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Registered: 06/05/2003
Posts: 44
That'll fit in the space in the dash currently occupied by the cup holder... hmmm some kind of adapter in order to put the display to an appropriate angle and this could be my thing.... let me check in the car and get back to you .

Tony
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#292709 - 02/02/2007 15:23 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: MarkM]
maczrool
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 1627
Loc: Louisiana, USA
I've e-mailed Patrick about R52 and R51 and also the specifics on the static discharge issues, but have not heard backa s of yet. Mark could you look for one of your boards and see whether it's R51 or R52 on the transmitter board?

Alvin has informed me that the boards will be delivered 2-6. So we are getting close to building a set.

Thanks,
Stu
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#292710 - 02/02/2007 21:51 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
music
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Registered: 25/06/2002
Posts: 456
Where have you been all my life?

I'm definitely interested in one of these extenders!

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#292711 - 02/02/2007 22:05 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: music]
maczrool
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 1627
Loc: Louisiana, USA
There will only be 10 in the first run and I believe at least 3 are spoken for already, but I'm sure Alvin or someone could run another batch if this one doesn't satisfy demand.

Stu
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#292712 - 03/02/2007 01:37 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: maczrool]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
Stu,

I'll try to get an answer to the resister question. We still want a couple of boards for spares.

Mark

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#292713 - 03/02/2007 03:50 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: MarkM]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 826
Loc: Texas, USA
Mark, I had you down for 3-4 sets of boards. Given that you're the one providing the design, I'd like to offer you first shot at the 10. I'll probably take 2.

The folks above expressing interest will get right of first refusal on the remaining 4-5 boards.

1-MarkM (2)
2-Mach (2)
3-caseyse (2)
4-juenk (1)
5-EtN (1)
6-music (1)
7-jarob10 (1)
8-mlord (1)
9-JimHogan (1)


Edited by Mach (04/02/2007 01:24)

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#292714 - 03/02/2007 05:13 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
Looks like there is a fair amount of interest here, so 2 sets is probably fine to cover us for spares. After Stu builds a few, we could probably have him repair existing boards if we get into a pinch.

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#292715 - 03/02/2007 11:36 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
maczrool
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 1627
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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3-Stu (?)


Believe it or not I don't think I will need any extenders. I think it's a cool idea though so that's one of the reasons I got involved.

Stu
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#292716 - 03/02/2007 13:45 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
jarob10
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Registered: 07/01/2002
Posts: 272
Loc: Stockport, UK
I am definitaly interested in one set. It's been a long time since I spent any on the empeg.
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#292717 - 03/02/2007 15:36 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: Mach]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13564
Loc: Canada
Alvin,

Please tack my name onto the list. I'll take one set, if available to me.

Cheers

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#292718 - 03/02/2007 18:30 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: mlord]
MarkM
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Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
Looks like the 10 are spoken for.

Patrick might have a few extender circuit boards available. By a few, probably two sets if you're lucky. If you're already a friend of his, he might build a set if you ask nicely and pay him for his time. If I get in touch with Patrick, I'll let him know that it's okay to use the remaining boards.

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#292719 - 03/02/2007 22:30 Re: Display Extender Interest [Re: MarkM]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Mark,

Count me interested. If these would ship from Seattle, I could even pickup. I'm planning to clean up some wiring and dents in the WRX this spring, so this would be a great addition to spring cleaning. Was there ever a definite answer about illuminated buttons?

Folks familiar with the WRX are perhaps visualizing that center pod in the dash where Subaru put the optional gauge pack.

Was there ever a definite answer about illuminated buttons? One thing that occurs to me is that if the Empeg is no longer in "I-must-remove-or-risk-tragedy " mode, then it would seem linke there might be room to revisit that -- a different/custom faceplate and LED buttons powered out of band, maybe?

And I might finally use my cherished tuner module, maybe, if I didn't feel the need to leave another headunit in the car...and...and....

Kennedy!
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