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#292930 - 28/03/2007 04:01 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: jimhogan]
MarkM
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Would adding the Seahawks cheerleaders distract you enough that you'd forget that there's no sound?

I was thinking about audio as this thread turned to 100m-200m of cable. Sure, you could run cable from your computer room to the next door neighbor's garage, but that does nothing without a speaker run of the same distance. I think the goal is to test the limits of Patrick's design.

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#292931 - 28/03/2007 04:30 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: jimhogan]
tfabris
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Now if you get the manager of Qwest field to sit with some headphones in one end zone with the remote display (while controlling the Empeg in the other end zone) that would be cool. But no outputs on the display. 100 meter headphone cord.


No no no no, you hook up the empeg to the PA!
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#292932 - 28/03/2007 10:23 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: tfabris]
pgrzelak
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And have the tag information for the track rigged - Artist=Disaster Area...
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#292933 - 28/03/2007 12:11 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: MarkM]
mlord
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Sure, you could run cable from your computer room to the next door neighbor's garage, but that does nothing without a speaker run of the same distance.


Piece-o-cake: Stu also makes/installs SPDIF/Optical outputs for the empeg, so we just need to do one of:
  • string an optical cable along with the ribbon cable, or
  • run the SPDIF signal in the existing ribbon cable, making use of the spare transceivers in the MAX* chips (mm.. gotta double check those), and using a (former) GND wire in the cable for the transmission.

Cheers


Edited by mlord (28/03/2007 12:13)

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#292934 - 28/03/2007 12:34 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: mlord]
maczrool
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Piece-o-cake: Stu also makes/installs SPDIF/Optical outputs for the empeg, so we just need to do one of:

string an optical cable along with the ribbon cable

You will probably need one of these to make a cable run greater than 10 meters.

Stu
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#292935 - 28/03/2007 18:05 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: MarkM]
LittleBlueThing
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ugh!

Thanks for the links though - interesting; I'll contact woody for sure.

We're planning on keeping the car for a fair while so I guess I'll have to take a close look at the wiring and see what I can do...
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#292936 - 28/03/2007 20:09 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: LittleBlueThing]
LittleBlueThing
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Well that was a bust... I asked the eBay guy about replacing the stock head unit with a decent hi-fi one and he said:

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Sorry, I am big into leaving stock systems alone. I cannot help you with your infomation request. I have seen lots of aftermarket attempts at head replacement and I do not approve of any of the setups. They look terrible and sound the same or marginally better.
Regrets,
Charles


Very surprising response from someone who appears to run some kind of customisation business - clearly not a man with ears though
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#292937 - 28/03/2007 20:32 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: tfabris]
Jehovah
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Now if you get the manager of Qwest field to sit with some headphones in one end zone with the remote display (while controlling the Empeg in the other end zone) that would be cool. But no outputs on the display. 100 meter headphone cord.


No no no no, you hook up the empeg to the PA!

And in this case the display extender is moot. I just finished an Empeg Jumbotron interface and will be offering it for sale.

$259.99

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#292938 - 29/03/2007 01:24 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: Jehovah]
MarkM
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We did that too about 5 years ago - assuming there's a composite video input to the Jumbotron.
http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/293555/an/0/page/0#Post293555

Seriously though, share what you got. I want to see a new empeg widget.

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#292939 - 29/03/2007 14:10 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: maczrool]
LittleBlueThing
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We are at 13 board sets now, but that really isn't a problem since I haven't placed the order. I can place the order in any multiple of 5 sets. Also, some on the list were notified about a week ago, but have not read their PMs, so they may never come forward.

Stu


Well, today I'm pretty sure that we'll be empeg-less until this arrives
(that may change but it's unlikely)

I've (just) asked Patrick about his spare board but I'll assume that's been snapped up.

Next question Stu, what exactly gets shipped and what does one need to do after the box arrives

Do I simply(!) dismantle my Empeg, unscrew/remove the display board, plug in the transmitter, attach the display to the receiver, route the ribbon cable, crimp the ribbon cable with a pair of pliers (!) and then plug it together for instant remote goodness?

Or do I need someone (Rob S, Patrick) to work some hot melty magic on my P&J to complete the assembly?

Also: how big is the facia? Or more correctly, how small a box can I get away with to mount it neatly?

And dare I ask about timescales? Next week? Next month? Next season? Next skiing season Just to get an idea you understand.
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#292940 - 29/03/2007 14:14 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: LittleBlueThing]
mlord
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Do I simply(!) dismantle my Empeg, unscrew/remove the display board, plug in the transmitter, attach the display to the receiver, route the ribbon cable, crimp the ribbon cable with a pair of pliers (!) and then plug it together for instant remote goodness?


More or less, except that the ribbon cable arrives with connectors already crimped in place.

And you'll need to work out a mounting system / enclosure for the remote display -- it needs a slim box of some sort, or perhaps could be inset into the dashboard.

The stock empeg bezel & lenses would be used on the display, same as now. Except there's no carry handle on the remote display, so the factory bezel might look a bit odd.

Cheers


Edited by mlord (29/03/2007 14:15)

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#292941 - 29/03/2007 14:17 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: mlord]
mlord
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Mmm.. maybe I'll putter in the workshop here later on.. and see what would be involved in fabbing a very simple enclosure for the remote display.

There's a choice in how to mount it -- the intended way is to bolt the receiver board to the back of the display board, with (supplied) spacers between. This makes it bulky front-to-back.

Another approach would be to mount the receiver board beside/below the display board, reducing the depth but doubling the face profile.

Mmm..

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#292942 - 29/03/2007 14:31 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: mlord]
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ta

I was thinking that it may be easier to route the cable if one of the connectors wasn't crimped - I'm sure I could find someone in Cambridge with a suitable crimping tool

Sadly the dash doesn't have anywhere to inset it - I'm thinking of bending some aluminium sheet into a box and then wrapping it in leather matching the interior.

I don't suppose you know where I could get a facia in grey birdseye maple do you
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#292943 - 29/03/2007 14:35 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: LittleBlueThing]
maczrool
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Next question Stu, what exactly gets shipped and what does one need to do after the box arrives


You get the transmitter and receiver board, 20 feet of 25 conductor ribbon cable with connectors precrimped and all hardware to attach the transmitter to the Empeg and the receiver to the display board. After you receive it, I guess about all there is to do aside from actual installation into your application is to secure the transmitter in place of the display board in your Empeg, stack the display on top of the receiver board, plug the ribbon cable on the display into the 20 pin header on the back of the receiver board as shown in some of the pictures I've posted here and plug in the 20 foot ribbon cable into the receiver and transmitter board. The boards all come configured for power to come from the Empeg so no need to fool with the jumpers unless you need external power.

Stu

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Also: how big is the facia? Or more correctly, how small a box can I get away with to mount it neatly?


I believe about the smallest enclosure you could get away with with the display stacked on top of the receiver is 6.3" x 2" x 2".

Stu
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#292944 - 29/03/2007 14:37 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: LittleBlueThing]
maczrool
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I was thinking that it may be easier to route the cable if one of the connectors wasn't crimped - I'm sure I could find someone in Cambridge with a suitable crimping tool


I've not crimped all the cables yet, so if you request it I can send your connectors loose.

Stu
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#292945 - 29/03/2007 14:48 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: LittleBlueThing]
Waterman981
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I don't suppose you know where I could get a facia in grey birdseye maple do you

I may have an idea for you there. K2 Concepts started in southern California customizing quad parts with the "carbon" look. Basically he paints a base coat, applies a pattern, then puts clear over top. I know he has done cammo as well, and bet he could simulate just about any wood grain. He can apply the process to just about anything. You would have to take into account the space the paint would take up for your buttons so they will still function. Get in touch with him. I bet he can do it. I've actually been thinking about doing something with mine.
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#292946 - 29/03/2007 15:24 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: maczrool]
mlord
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I believe about the smallest enclosure you could get away with with the display stacked on top of the receiver is 6.3" x 2" x 2".


Actually, 1 3/8" deep is possible, by having the receiver board mounted with component side facing the display board.

This puts the cable feed onto the top of the display though. To have it feed from the bottom (preferred), the middle ("spare") DB9 connector needs to be removed from the receiver board (or just not soldered in place to begin with).

Cheers

Mark

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#292947 - 29/03/2007 16:21 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: mlord]
LittleBlueThing
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I believe about the smallest enclosure you could get away with with the display stacked on top of the receiver is 6.3" x 2" x 2".


Actually, 1 3/8" deep is possible, by having the receiver board mounted with component side facing the display board.

This puts the cable feed onto the top of the display though. To have it feed from the bottom (preferred), the middle ("spare") DB9 connector needs to be removed from the receiver board (or just not soldered in place to begin with).

Cheers

Mark


Well, a bit of 2"x2" a spare lens and a spare bezel made a good prototype showing where it has to go:
http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/xkr/empeg_install/imagelist.html

So saving a little space would be good unless we install into the vents.
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#292948 - 29/03/2007 21:50 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: LittleBlueThing]
MarkM
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Here's a picture of a finished pod plugged into a top vent if you want an example.


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#292949 - 30/03/2007 01:33 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: LittleBlueThing]
MarkM
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Not sure how it would look, but after looking at your pictures it looks like you could mount a pod on the dash above your vents that curves around the front of the dash.

By creating a pod that also curves under your dash, you could hide the ribbon cable and run it behind the plastic facia where the vents are. You could use some small screws to hold it in place or velcro strips.

I'll upload a couple of sketches to give you an idea of what I'm talking about. You might be able to make some of it from wood, but you might take the foam, bondo, wrap with vinyl route.

Maybe this will at least start some ideas for you.

BTW - a profile gauge helps gets the curves correct. http://www.fine-tools.com/G309631.htm

Mark


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#292950 - 30/03/2007 01:34 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: MarkM]
MarkM
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Pic 2

As you can see, I'm not an artist.


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#292951 - 30/03/2007 03:46 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: MarkM]
tfabris
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As you can see, I'm not an artist.

I said consummate V's!
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#292952 - 30/03/2007 04:05 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: tfabris]
MarkM
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Thanks for that. I needed to see that first for inspiration! That had me laughing!

I'm better with tools and fabrication than I am with a mechanical pencil.

Now I'm off to watch that video again...

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#292953 - 30/03/2007 07:08 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: maczrool]
julf
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I've not crimped all the cables yet, so if you request it I can send your connectors loose.


When the time comes to do mine, I think I would prefer uncrimped, if that's not too much hassle.

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#292954 - 30/03/2007 11:16 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: julf]
maczrool
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When the time comes to do mine, I think I would prefer uncrimped, if that's not too much hassle.


I'll try to keep all these special requests in mind. Just make sure you include a reminder when you send payment (when the time comes).

Stu
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#292955 - 30/03/2007 11:58 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: maczrool]
mlord
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And I really do recommend leaving the middle DB25 connector unsoldered -- this can really help reduce the mounting profile of the extended display. Maybe include the loose connector with the shipment, but no soldering of it unless requested. But that's the customers' call, I suppose.

I think most/all installations are easily managed with only the other DB25 position.

Cheers

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#292956 - 30/03/2007 12:17 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: mlord]
maczrool
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And I really do recommend leaving the middle DB25 connector unsoldered -- this can really help reduce the mounting profile of the extended display.


Good idea. I'll offer it.

Stu
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#292957 - 30/03/2007 17:50 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: maczrool]
gbeer
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And I really do recommend leaving the middle DB25 connector unsoldered -- this can really help reduce the mounting profile of the extended display.


Good idea. I'll offer it.

Stu


This is to make the total depth less? And here I as wondering about just the opposite case where the enclosure would need to set on it's bottom with the cable exiting the rear.
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#292958 - 30/03/2007 18:30 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: gbeer]
maczrool
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This is to make the total depth less?


Yes. According to Mark Lord, it can be made as shallow as 1 3/8" by not populating the vertical socket and flipping the receiver over (see his post above). Let me know if you want it done this way. You should also have received an e-mail regarding same.

Stu
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#292959 - 30/03/2007 19:12 Re: We Have Lights! [Re: maczrool]
mlord
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This is to make the total depth less?


Yes. According to Mark Lord, it can be made as shallow as 1 3/8" by not populating the vertical socket and flipping the receiver over (see his post above). Let me know if you want it done this way. You should also have received an e-mail regarding same.

Stu


Just to clarify, we're talking about this connector:



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