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#319455 - 17/02/2009 20:32 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Loc: Denmark, Odense
Radio works fine... crystal clear sound

just testing the ir_translate you wrote.. be back in 15 min
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#319456 - 17/02/2009 20:33 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: mlord
It still all looks normal.
Code:
Stalk: in=02 01 ff 00 == no button
Stalk: in=02 01 16 17 == 00000031
Stalk: out=02 01 16 17 == 00000031
..

Well, not quite normal, I suppose.
That sequence above is clearly the "KSource" button,
but for some reason it is being translated into 00000031
instead of the expected value of 00000011.

Is this a kernel you built yourself ??

-ml

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#319457 - 17/02/2009 20:39 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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nope... the alpa kernel... i'm not smart enough to build such things myself
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#319458 - 17/02/2009 20:39 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
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#319459 - 17/02/2009 20:42 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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i have also tried this one: http://www.empeg.com/v3alpha/car-v2.01/car2-developer-v2.01-final.upgrade

but no luck with that either
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#319460 - 17/02/2009 20:56 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Originally Posted By: mlord


[ir_translate]
KSource=Source




did not do the trick...
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#319461 - 17/02/2009 20:58 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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could 00000031 be used in ir_translate ?
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#319462 - 17/02/2009 21:22 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Boelle
could 00000031 be used in ir_translate ?

Sure, like this:

[ir_translate]
00000031=Source

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#319463 - 17/02/2009 21:24 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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now i only have to do that for the rest..

and test it out... but i bet there is a more correct way to do it?
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#319464 - 17/02/2009 21:28 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Loc: Denmark, Odense
hmm...

could i do like this also:

[ir_translate]
00000031=KSource
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#319465 - 17/02/2009 21:29 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: mlord
It still all looks normal.
Code:
Stalk: in=02 01 ff 00 == no button
Stalk: in=02 01 16 17 == 00000031
Stalk: out=02 01 16 17 == 00000031
Stalk: in=02 01 ff 00 == 80000031
..


Oh.. wait a sec.. 00000031 is the KSource+Shift button (KSSource).

I think you are either (1) pushing in the outer part of the end of the stalk (the "shift" collar), or perhaps it is *stuck* in.

The button on the end of the stalk (the KSource button) should be flush with the end of the stalk, not protruding.

But when the "shift collar" is pushed/stuck in, then the Ksource button will stick out by 2-3mm.

Check that on your stalk.

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#319466 - 17/02/2009 21:33 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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i guees it's stuck... because when i twist the wolume the seek/ams do not follow....
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#319467 - 17/02/2009 21:35 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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if i push the vol collar.. it jumps back.... i guees you use the vol collar as shift also....
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#319468 - 17/02/2009 21:35 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: mlord
The button on the end of the stalk (the KSource button) should be flush with the end of the stalk, not protruding.

But when the "shift collar" is pushed/stuck in, then the Ksource button will stick out by 2-3mm.




Attachments
normal.jpg

Description: Normal position of KSource button.

shifted.jpg

Description: The shift collar pushed/stuck "on".



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#319469 - 17/02/2009 21:38 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Boelle
if i push the vol collar.. it jumps back.... i guees you use the vol collar as shift also....

Yes, that is the "Shift collar". The collar has no function when simply pushed, but pushing causes all of the other buttons/twists to have new/different meanings. Just like a "shift" key on a computer keyboard.

-ml

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#319470 - 17/02/2009 21:39 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Loc: Denmark, Odense
yeah but when i let go of the shift collar.. then it jumps back to normal.... crazy
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#319471 - 17/02/2009 21:39 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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so i guess the switch inside is stuck... can i take the stalk apart ?
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#319472 - 17/02/2009 21:43 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Boelle
so i guess the switch inside is stuck... can i take the stalk apart ?

Maybe.

I wonder what happens when you *do* SHIFT it and press source. Does it still send 00000031 then?

Because, if then it sends 00000011 instead, the switch is okay, just backwards. smile

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#319473 - 17/02/2009 21:48 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Loc: Denmark, Odense
i could try to have a look at the button code display... dont want to disturb the all the fol around us by starting the car...

but hang on and i will grab the codes from the display
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#319474 - 17/02/2009 21:49 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Boelle
so i guess the switch inside is stuck... can i take the stalk apart ?

Yes. I just took mine apart here to find out.

Be *very* careful not to drop any pieces. Do this at a table in the house, not in the car.

Remove the rubber mounting pads, and undo the three small pozidrive (phillips) screws. Keep the stalk upside down during all of this (KSource button at the bottom!!).

The switches are all on the removeable plate, and the "shift" switch is the larger yellow one:


Attachments
buttons.jpg

Description: Stalk button assembly.

mechanics.jpg

Description: Stalk mechanical assembly -- keep it upside down like this, or it will fall apart and be VERY difficult to reassemble.



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#319475 - 17/02/2009 21:50 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Loc: Denmark, Odense
anyway... do the player make use of all combinations? i mean is there any meaning for the shift function to work like it should?
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#319476 - 17/02/2009 21:55 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Note that second photo above: there is a clear plastic plate just sitting there, only gravity holding it in place. I think this is what may be wrong in your stalk: that plate may be in the wrong location or something.

The player does use all of the codes, but if you are happy without them, then just remap the working ones only:

[ir_translate]
KSOff=KOff
KSSource=KSource
KSAtt=KAtt
KSFront=KFront
KSNext=KNext
KSPrev=KPrev
KSVolUp=KVolUp
KSVolDown=KVolDown
KSRear=KRear
KSBottom=KBottom

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#319477 - 17/02/2009 21:56 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
I'm going out to play ice-hockey in the park now.

Ciao!

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#319478 - 17/02/2009 21:57 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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looking at the button code display.. it does not matter if i shift or not... it gives me that same code for source and off ... so i guees the shift is stuck....
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#319480 - 17/02/2009 22:21 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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just want to tell about my stalk.... looks just like yours... but somehow the shift is still stuck...
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#319481 - 17/02/2009 22:33 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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well.. it's 01:28am... think i will sleep on this one

mark thanks a lot for the help... if you get an idea of what i could do to narrow this one let me know..

and you are right... dont shake on your hands while takeing those small screws out.... i dropped one between the seats... so have to take the seats out to get it... but have to take them out anyway... the electrical heat is dead so have to do some testing on the seats also

cheers :-D
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#319485 - 18/02/2009 00:36 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 13592
Loc: Canada
Quote:
mark thanks a lot for the help... if you get an idea of what i could do to narrow this one let me know..

If you don't think you need the shifted buttons, then just ignore the problem and use it as-is. That's not such a bad solution.

But to fix it, you'll have to dismantle it, and test the shift-switch to see if the switch itself is stuck, or simply worn-out or dead.

Cheers

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#319486 - 18/02/2009 00:59 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
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Can he re-define the actions to the 'as-shifted' values?
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#319488 - 18/02/2009 04:49 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: mlord]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
Posts: 475
Loc: Denmark, Odense
Originally Posted By: mlord

The player does use all of the codes, but if you are happy without them, then just remap the working ones only:

[ir_translate]
KSOff=KOff
KSSource=KSource
KSAtt=KAtt
KSFront=KFront
KSNext=KNext
KSPrev=KPrev
KSVolUp=KVolUp
KSVolDown=KVolDown
KSRear=KRear
KSBottom=KBottom


but it would be nice to have them all

but it's like the shit does not work... it tried to take apart the stalk and push the buttons on the rubber mat...still the same...

and from juding the sound i dont think the mechanic part ever touch the shift button on the small pcb...

but testing the shift should be simple with a ohm meter?
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#319496 - 18/02/2009 13:36 Re: how "stalk" works? [Re: Boelle]
Boelle
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Registered: 22/11/2007
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Loc: Denmark, Odense
did at test with the ohm meter... when i do pres shift there is a short between the 2 contacts on the jack... so the stalk works 100% as it should... now wonder what it could be... maybe a short somewhere in the tuner? it's one of those from PCA
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