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#327723 - 24/11/2009 00:33 The Twitter thread
FireFox31
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There, now we have a Twitter thread.

The value of Twitter is aggregation. Follow people/organizations which give you content, news, links, etc that you care about.

The empegBBS members generate have valuable opinions, ideas and other output, so it would be valuable to follow you. Feel free to share your Twitter name here:

@lemonbake is me, until I think up a better name.


As we get more people, I'll add you to the empeg list: http://twitter.com/Lemonbake/empeg
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#327725 - 24/11/2009 00:45 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: FireFox31]
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#327726 - 24/11/2009 00:57 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: ricin]
FireFox31
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?????? A search of the BBS didn't show much about Twitter, so I assumed you'd all just skipped over it. Is there some aversion (besides Bruno)?
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#327728 - 24/11/2009 01:49 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: FireFox31]
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I think there's a reason we all skipped over it.
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#327729 - 24/11/2009 03:26 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: wfaulk]
tonyc
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RSS feeds provide aggregation. Twitter provides self-aggrandizement.

In all seriousness, Twitter is absolute garbage.
  • First and foremost, the much-discussed 140 character limit.
    • It does not lead to pithiness, it leads to an unreadable mess of SMS-speak so people can cram their thoughts into such a small space.
    • It also leads to a proliferation of URL shorteners, which are an absolute diaster in terms of the longterm continuity of the web.
  • The Twitter database is a big, flat just-barely-searchable mess.
    • Hashtags are such a ridiculous hack that it's hard for me to believe they haven't come up with something less brain-dead.
    • No threading to speak of. Really? It's 2010 and we can't get threaded conversations right for the most hyped social networking site on the planet?
  • The site goes down more than a junkie hooker. Protip: if people the world over recognize your system outage page ("Hey, look, it's the Fail Whale again!"), it's time to get your head out of your ass and use web infrastructure that doesn't suck.

Ultimately, Twitter's "design" "philosophy" caters to the least common denominator and leaves out features that any such system should have. The only reason we know about it is because it had first-mover advantage for the one thing it does well (SMS to web.) But the idea that a platform as rich as the web (including all of our web-enabled cell phones) needs to be tied to the restrictions and conventions of SMS is absurd.

Now give me my butterscotch, turn up Matlock, and get off my fucking lawn.
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#327730 - 24/11/2009 04:13 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: tonyc]
Dignan
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I only signed up for Twitter because Android didn't have a good Facebook app yet, and it was easier to update my status through Twitter. I echo everything Tony just said.

I currently follow a bunch of people from the tech industry, so you'd think I'd see some interesting stuff. Nope. I'd break it down as follows:

90% of the posts are @ replies to things other people have said, requiring me to track down whatever that person said, but that only takes me to the other person's page, not the comment they made.

5% of the posts are self-advertising, notifying people of their latest podcast or article or whatever.

1% are retweets.

The rest is actual original content, but most of that is the usual stuff people make fun of Twitter for. Like "this is a great ham sandwich."

So out of 100 posts, I'd say that only one is interesting or informative.

Lastly, I really don't see how Twitter is an efficient means of social networking. It's such a kludge!
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#327732 - 24/11/2009 04:47 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: FireFox31]
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There's an empeg group on Facebook.
Feel free to 'friend' as many of those members as you like.
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#327733 - 24/11/2009 05:15 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: Robotic]
hybrid8
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I wouldn't wipe my arse with Twitter.

Tony summed up perfectly the whole thing in the first sentence. I'll add that Twitter is inane garbage and this year's buzz word. Most feeds I've checked out are just mumbled twat-speak and impossible to follow.

Any time I see someone write a name with an @ in front of it (especially outside Twitter) I feel like punching them in the mouth. Especially if they're also the same kind of asshole who uses the word "meme." It's *never* ok to use the word meme, even when used correctly, which only accounts for about 2% of its usage as of late.

Most twitter feeds might as well be written in alternating case or 1337-speak to illustrate the douche-baggery of the writer.
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#327739 - 24/11/2009 10:05 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: hybrid8]
peter
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Most twitter feeds lose nothing of consequence -- and gain occasional excursions into found-art genius -- when they're accreted onto http://www.longestpoemintheworld.com

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#327742 - 24/11/2009 11:26 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: peter]
frog51
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I have twitter functionality built on my moblog page - but although I have tried to like it, I can't.

Am playing around with Google Wave and to be honest if you wanted a twitter with decent functionality you could just use wave. And then it can also do live same time meeting functionality, collaborative editing blah blah blah.

meh - just decided this post adds nothing of value to the world...
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#327743 - 24/11/2009 12:53 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: frog51]
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I've been using Twitter for a few months now, and overall I like it. Sure, RSS exists, but for that, you have to have your own web server, and some way to get your message out to follow it. Twitter offers the hosting and the directory service.

I follow a fair number of my friends, and for me it offers a quick view of what they are up to as well. And this is the basis of why Twitter exists. It's supposed to be a quick status update mechanism.

I've gotten some good things out of Twitter, including:
- Two free movie screenings
- A free T-Shirt
- Ability to provide feedback on a large commercial program I use daily
- Insight into a few podcasts I listen to

I'll agree it has issues, but for me, it works well enough. I do use apps to access Twitter, and rarely actually see the web site, so that may have something to do with my perceptions of it.
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#327748 - 24/11/2009 16:06 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: drakino]
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Edited by ricin (24/11/2009 16:06)
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#327750 - 24/11/2009 16:52 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: ricin]
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My fav- 'poop is coming out'

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#327751 - 24/11/2009 17:29 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: Robotic]
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I also enjoyed this one. They posted that comic on the same day that I had just read a Game Developer Magazine article about including social networking features such as Facebook and Twitter into your games.

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#327752 - 24/11/2009 17:33 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: tfabris]
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Yeah. I was playing Uncharted 2 at that time. Oddly enough, Twitter was down most of the time I was playing. :P
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#327753 - 24/11/2009 17:37 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: ricin]
tfabris
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That's one of the games I intend to get and play through this holiday season. Along with Assasin's Creed 2 and Modern Warfare 2. It seems to be the year of second sequels. :-)
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#327754 - 24/11/2009 17:53 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: tfabris]
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Definitely a must play in my opinion. Play the first and the second. They are the best games for the PS3 so far.
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#327757 - 25/11/2009 00:44 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: ricin]
DWallach
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I'm on Twitter (@danwallach), but I don't tweet very much. I have it all rigged together, via FriendFeed, such that my Facebook status text and Google Reader "shared" links are all cross-polinated, which also includes Twitter.

I found Twitter to be vaguely useful when I was attending a Usenix conference and various people were tweeting away on the #usenix hashtag. I use TweetDeck, where you can turn any query into a separate column, making it easy to follow these sorts of things. TweetDeck also lets me separate a set of Houston foodies, who seem to have nothing better to do than tweet all day, from my other friends, who are lower volume but I wouldn't want their tweets to blow past me without me noticing.

In short: Twitter has marginal value greater than zero. I fully expect the company to go out of business once they realize that they're not making money and they're not going to. At that point, hopefully some vaguely distributed, interoperable Twitter-ish solution will come out. (A former student and I worked on just such a system.)

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#327759 - 25/11/2009 02:57 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: tonyc]
FireFox31
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Now give me my butterscotch, turn up Matlock, and get off my fucking lawn.


::shrugs:: I'm just trying to stay current. Ignoring potential new paradigms is a bit Luddite.

Perhaps Wave is the evolution of Twitter, a better first step into the real-time web. Who here will thrash a product from the proven-legitimate Google?
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#327761 - 25/11/2009 03:34 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: FireFox31]
ricin
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If anyone cares, all of my accounts on the various sites (Friendfeed, Twitter, etc) are linked from my site, either on the right hand side, or on the about page.

Also, ricinus@googlewave.com.


Edited by ricin (25/11/2009 05:22)
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#327762 - 25/11/2009 03:50 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: FireFox31]
tonyc
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::shrugs:: I'm just trying to stay current. Ignoring potential new paradigms is a bit Luddite.

Wait, the dude who was running Windows 98 in 2004 suggests that I'm being "a bit Luddite?" Wow, that's gonna leave a mark!

Does Twitter render properly on your Netscape browser? smile

I do actually have a Wave account, and it looks to be more useful than Twitter will ever be. That's not because it's from Google, rather, it's because it actually tries to do more than Twitter does. Maybe it won't succeed at half the things it tries, but Twitter isn't even trying.
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#327763 - 25/11/2009 12:44 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: tonyc]
drakino
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Out of curiosity, have you ever signed up for a twitter account and used it for more then five minutes? Personally I saw very little value in it as well, until I used it for a little bit and added a few people to follow. If not, I'd recommend trying, and run a client like Tweetie.

As for Wave, I still have no idea what to actually do with it. I logged in a while back, invited someone else, then stopped using it. With no notifications outside wave when something changed, it's a pain to have to log in all the time to see nothing. I suppose both services need some sort of critical mass for it to work.
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#327764 - 25/11/2009 13:07 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: tonyc]
FireFox31
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Windows 98

You are so right. I'd use Twitter on my cell phone, but it's not supported on the StarTac 7868W.
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#327766 - 25/11/2009 13:18 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: drakino]
tonyc
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No, I haven't created a Twitter account. I do, however, subscribe to a couple of Twitter feeds in my RSS reader, e.g. the hilarious Fake AP Stylebook. I've also searched through Twitter a few times in an effort to find information on local events.

My aversion to Twitter's architecture, design, and implementation dose not blind me to the fact that there is legitimate content therein that, unfortunately, can't be found anywhere else. Still, I think that Twitter's sudden emergence as a core component of the Internet's communications infrastructure for so many people is a bad thing, for the purely technical reasons I've outlined above.
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#327767 - 25/11/2009 13:20 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: FireFox31]
tonyc
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I thought you'd gotten a Treo?

Or were you being cheeky?
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#327768 - 25/11/2009 13:22 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: FireFox31]
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Damn, my cell phone still has a rotary dial.

I'm not a luddite and I love technology. And new technology. I just don't like lame rehashed fads. Twitter is centralized mini-rss. Twitter is a centralized mini, frequently updated, .plan or .project file.

I'm sorry, but greater than 95% of twitter use is just crap I would never care about regardless of the medium. And the 5% that I might care about is generally hacked and deformed by twitter's requirements and usage patterns/styles.

Twitter has caught on because of the tween/teen generation. All the "blogosphere" pundits are using it because little kids out there actually made it popular and somewhat mainstream.

About the only thing I would consider using it for would be as a way to subscribe to magnet links for TV show torrents. But there's already rss if I want to do that. wink

Besides, I'm not generally a follower. And I have no desire/intention to update people when I'm going to the bathroom.
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#327774 - 25/11/2009 15:45 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: hybrid8]
wfaulk
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That's not quite true. The distinctive element of Twitter is that it's "push" based. Which just makes it lame middleware, or maybe lame multicasting. I'm somewhat surprised that no one (that I've heard of, anyway) is using Twitter as an implementation of wide-area RPC for something. That is, computer-to-computer communication rather than person-to-person.

I guess it's somewhat elitist, but it bothers me that they reinvented the wheel, except they left out the axle, and it's a Reuleaux triangle instead of a circle.


Edited by wfaulk (25/11/2009 15:51)
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#327783 - 25/11/2009 19:38 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: drakino]
Dignan
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Originally Posted By: drakino
Out of curiosity, have you ever signed up for a twitter account and used it for more then five minutes?

I have. I signed up, I followed a number of "interesting" people, including many tech people, and a bunch of friends followed me. I used it as advertised for several weeks. I don't like it. I just haven't found it interesting, and I don't care about broadcasting what I'm doing to people who don't know me. I guess I feel it's a tiny bit narcissistic to think that people I don't know care what I'm up to every minute.

I also have a bias against Twitter. Apparently I have the same name as some Canadian Christian Rocker, and I get a ton of people following me because they think I'm him. Every once and a while I send out a message saying that I'm not him, but because of that wonderful stream that everyone touts, I'm sure they never see it.
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#327789 - 26/11/2009 02:36 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: wfaulk]
jimhogan
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Originally Posted By: wfaulk
I think there's a reason we all skipped over it.

As a certified narcissist, you'd think that Tw*tt*r would be right up my alley, but the thought of it pretty much drives me nuts. I joke with friends that I have a Facebook profile....but I just ain't tellin' anybody what it is. Yeah, I'll be on Facebook. Just as long as I don't have to deal with any goddamn "friends".

Seriously, though. I get paid to be the techology guy. Shouldn't I be more hip? more curtting edge? Well, if Tw*tt*r is cutting edge, count me out. To me it is just another fad -- TQM-meets-People's-Choice-Awards writ Web 2.0. I *love*, no *LOVE* the poem this beautiful woman sent to NPR's Tw*tt*r-infatuated Scott Simon:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/sundaysoapbox/2009/03/tweeting_scott_simon_tweetnot.html
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#327790 - 26/11/2009 14:17 Re: The Twitter thread [Re: jimhogan]
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Apparently, narcissism alone isn't quite enough.
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