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#367976 - 02/12/2016 23:55 Re: Gamergate [Re: tonyc]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
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If it helps set the bar for comparison, here is a site that's collecting documented incidents of hate attacks since the election. Click on each state and you'll see links to news articles substantiating the claims. These go far beyond the scale and scope of being falsely accused of bigotry, which is certainly not okay, but is not at all equal to being the target of actual bigotry, intimidation, and in many cases, physical attacks.

If we expand the threshold of evidence from "credible, vetted claim backed by a supporting news report" to "plausible claim reported online to an organization that tracks hate groups", the number jumps from 122 to 867. Notably, as the PDF points out, this does not include any instances of online-only harassment such as emails and tweets -- the claims have to be related to a physical attack, property defacement, or some other physical evidence. Including email and Twitter in these numbers would of course cause these numbers to grow by orders of magnitude.
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#367985 - 05/12/2016 12:42 Re: Gamergate [Re: tfabris]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1436
Loc: Arizona
Originally Posted By: tfabris
From the articles I read (the articles from reputable news sources as opposed to just conservative sites), these electors are getting letters, emails and phone calls, asking them to exercise their right and duty in this electoral democracy, to refuse to elect someone who is unqualified for the office.
It is from the AZ Republic (the paper that received death threats for endorsing Hillary).
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"Ash declined to share any of the emails but described them: "They demonize me, they call me a homophobic, an isolationist, a bigot, a misogynist, and an anti-Semite, which is interesting because I'm Jewish."
How about CNN?
You are right, you can call or write to electors, but death threats are not normally part of the deal.
Another bastion of conservatism reporting on a house being vandalized, The Washington Post? This one probably only made national news because of the swastika.

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#367991 - 05/12/2016 19:27 Re: Gamergate [Re: tonyc]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 30556
Loc: Seattle, WA
A death threat against an elector is a problem. I'm glad that Michael Banerian filed a police report, and I hope the police investigate it, and if they find someone who made death threats, prosecute them. Same goes for the people who had their house vandalized with a swastika. So, okay, good, now I've heard of some incidents, reported by reputable news sites.

I still get the feeling from these articles that they are reporting temporary, isolated incidents which are based around current events. I don't think these are equivalent to what the Guardian article was talking about. I still think it's a false equivalency.

The incidents you cited are clearly reactionary. Most people who want to convince an elector will look up the names and contact information for the electors, and then write or call them once. The people who got their house spray painted have probably never had it happen before, and probably won't have it happen again.

That's different from the long-term, nonstop, cold, calculated, systematic harassment and suppression that minorities, women and LGBTQ people have faced in the past and are going to face in the coming years, even after all of this furor surrounding the election has settled down.

The recent "pizzagate" thing is another example of precisely the thing which the Guardian article was warning about: http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/ - It takes only a single well-placed lie, repeated enough times on social media, to cause serious problems for someone in real life. People in minority groups are the target of this kind of thing now, and are going to continue to be the target of this kind of thing for the foreseeable future. Though the pizzagate thing could be viewed by some as a single isolated incident as well, the method, content, and target of the attack is something we will be seeing repeated systematically in upcoming days, months, and years. We need to learn how to fight back against this kind of thing.
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#368044 - 12/12/2016 19:10 Re: Gamergate [Re: tanstaafl.]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
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#368161 - 04/01/2017 04:53 Re: Gamergate [Re: DWallach]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7849
Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: DWallach
what we're seeing is an abuse of the Internet's ability to allow you to hide behind a pseudonym.

This part of the discussion popped back into my mind today, when I came across this published today: https://blog.coralproject.net/the-real-name-fallacy/ . It's a much deeper sourced article that has many of the bits and pieces I've seen about this topic over the past 2 years that debunks the anonymous factor of online spaces, including where the myth started back in the 80s.

A shorter tl'dr version (point 5 in the link), along with other common myths about online abuse is here: https://medium.com/humane-tech/the-immortal-myths-about-online-abuse-a156e3370aee

Anil Dash's twitter account is where I saw these links today, and overall he's been a great person to follow and read.
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#368279 - 02/02/2017 16:41 Re: Gamergate [Re: tonyc]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7849
Loc: Seattle, WA
Huh, wonder why this is getting so much coverage and attention at high levels.

Yet no mention from 4 5 or those around him about the incident at a university in another state that borders the pacific ocean where a shooting happened, and also had a protest turn riot.

Very strange
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#368324 - 06/02/2017 16:23 Re: Gamergate [Re: drakino]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
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The Guardian (and the Daily Mail, whatever that is worth) covered that one, as well as domestically.

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#368579 - 06/04/2017 05:39 Re: Gamergate [Re: tonyc]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7849
Loc: Seattle, WA
Crash Override, preorder this book.

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#368633 - 16/04/2017 00:55 Re: Gamergate [Re: drakino]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7849
Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: drakino
Huh, wonder why this is getting so much coverage and attention at high levels.

Yet no mention from 4 5 or those around him about the incident at a university in another state that borders the pacific ocean where a shooting happened, and also had a protest turn riot.

Very strange

Today Seattle had 2 massive rallies, with the later one stretching more then 12 blocks downtown. And massive rallies in a ton of other cities across the nation.

It took the alt-right flying in support to Berkeley for them to have just one victory today, complete with nazi salutes. This after their defeat in February. They knew Seattle wasn't going to be a place they could win even with the stunt at the end of January at the UW campus.

All while 45 ran away to golf again, and his alt-right advisor who had a major part in Gamergate is falling from grace.

Huh

Justice does eventually happen.
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