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#68368 - 07/02/2002 17:22 Continued Car talk
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
Anyway yes your car can rev to 10,000 not on the stock valvetrain. You need better valves and valvespring or youll float your valve and then bam piston meets valve not good. Plus reving to 10k is only worth it if you have cams which make power that high (ie JUN or TODA) rev that si to 8 cmon I know you want to

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#68369 - 07/02/2002 17:26 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
loren
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
I gotta stop sinking money into my stereo and start adding some more engine mods..=] Bolt ons only go so far... like nowhere...
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#68370 - 07/02/2002 17:33 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: loren]
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
Yeah basic breather mods wont do much on a honda. If you want to go force induction get a jackson racing supercharger. Or you could go all motor madness with new cams and high compression pistons

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#68371 - 07/02/2002 20:33 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
thrasher
enthusiast

Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 362
I guess you guys dont want to hear about my 8.1 liter big block 502 Im geting a wopping 7 MPG LOL.
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#68372 - 08/02/2002 12:26 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: thrasher]
eternalsun
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
7mpg? That's wasteful. You need fuel injection. :*)

Calvin

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#68373 - 08/02/2002 15:41 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: eternalsun]
KungFuCow
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Registered: 18/01/2002
Posts: 234
Im a little late coming into this but I love car talk as much as the next guy. Here's a small movie of one of my ongoing projects. It's an 87 Buick Grand National with a Buick stage 2 276 CID twin turbo engine. Pumped out 930 horsepower at the rear wheels at 28 PSI. Car has run a best of 8.40 @ 164. A friend of mine owns this car here in Dallas and I do the upkeep. I originally built this car when I lived in Florida for someone else and the original owner sold it to someone in California who in turn sold it to my buddy here. It was a basket case when we got it back here but we straightened it out in short order and got it back running correctly. It's amazing what someone with no knowledge of calibrating engine management systems can do to a car.

Here's a couple of shots of my car. It's undergoing some changes at the moment and I hope when it's done it will run 9s with the AC on.

Front
Back
Side
Engine

Buick power

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#68374 - 08/02/2002 16:45 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: KungFuCow]
eternalsun
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
Those Grand Nationals are *fast* *fast* cars. Easily modded too. Too bad they're not readily available used or new. I bow down to the GN. :-D Fast with class.

Calvin

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#68375 - 09/02/2002 00:11 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: eternalsun]
thrasher
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 362
I do have fuel injection it's a 2002 model.
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#68376 - 09/02/2002 08:36 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: thrasher]
tracerbullet
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Registered: 08/01/2002
Posts: 419
Loc: Minnesota
Is it "school bus yellow" or what?

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#68377 - 09/02/2002 18:53 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: tracerbullet]
acurasquirrel
member

Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
I guess tanstaafl cant answer my question

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#68378 - 09/02/2002 21:07 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
I'm sure he could, he just hasn't been on the BBS a lot lately. Sometimes he gets busy and can't follow all the threads. I'll let him know this thread is here.
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#68379 - 10/02/2002 15:34 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: tfabris]
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia

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#68380 - 14/02/2002 17:12 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5539
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
I guess tanstaafl cant answer my question

My sincere apologies! Somehow, I missed the last five posts on the other thread, and did not see your question until Tony pointed it out to me. No fair! My question was a lot easier to answer than yours!

I have a question for you. What is the benefit of valve overlap at high rpms and what is the benefit of a stepped exhaust manifold and why? These question are related feel free to discuss flow velocity versus flow volume in your discussion.

Valve overlap at high RPM is required in order to compensate for the inertia of the gases involved, both burnt and unburnt. One might think that having both the intake and exhaust valves opened simultaneously would cause problems, but in actuality when the intake valve opens the burnt gases have been flowing out the exhaust valve for the duration of the exhaust stroke and have developed considerable inertia flowing in that direction, while at the same time the intake charge is virtually stopped because the intake valve has only been open for a short time and it takes time for the inertia of the intake gases stacked up behind the intake valve to start pushing the intake charge into the cylinder. This means that there will not be excessive mixing of exhaust gases into the incoming intake charge, and not much of the intake charge will be lost out the exhaust valve. The more overlap you have, the more mixing you will get, although this is very much a function of engine RPM. Note that this is before the piston begins its downstroke creating the partial vacuum that will then continue to draw the new fuel-air charge into the cylinder.

I am afraid I do not know what a "stepped exhaust manifold" is. This is entirely my shortcoming, I am not accusing you of making a trick question, I am just not familiar with the term. Does it have something to do with different cross-sectional areas of the exhaust manifold at different points along the length of the exhaust manifold runners?

If so, then a stepped manifold would set up standing waves which, in accordance with Bernoulli's principle, would have maximum flow velocity at the areas of lowest pressure which would (unintuitively) be the areas of smallest cross sectional area; and maximum flow volume in the areas of highest pressure which would be the areas of largest cross sectional area.

Did I do good?

tanstaafl.
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#68381 - 14/02/2002 17:26 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: tanstaafl.]
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
you did well the effect you are talking about with valve overlap is called scavenging. You are right though valve overlap is really only good at high RPMs hince VTEC but thats another discussion. Stepped headers have diameters that increase along the lenght of header. This creates antireversion chambers which basically prevents the exhaust from flowing backwards

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#68382 - 15/02/2002 00:12 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
mafisto
journeyman

Registered: 22/07/1999
Posts: 60
Loc: St. Paul, MN, USA
All I have to say is:

Doug & Squirrel, bravo! I don't understand a damn word you're saying*, but it sure is fun to read! At the very least it seems you two have a bit more respect for one another.

On a side note, are these guys just talking, or is this for real?

*exaggerated for effect, in reality my Buddha-self knew all of this.
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#68383 - 15/02/2002 00:37 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: tanstaafl.]
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
Well its your turn try and stump me cmon I know you can do it.

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#68384 - 15/02/2002 04:31 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
tracerbullet
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Registered: 08/01/2002
Posts: 419
Loc: Minnesota
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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#68385 - 15/02/2002 10:54 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: tracerbullet]
loren
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
African or European?
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#68386 - 15/02/2002 15:32 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: loren]
tracerbullet
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Registered: 08/01/2002
Posts: 419
Loc: Minnesota
I don't know.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hehe

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#68387 - 15/02/2002 20:35 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5539
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
Well its your turn try and stump me cmon I know you can do it.


Okay... true, real-life question:

Unless I run premium gasoline in my old 1969 Toyota Land Cruiser (snow plow truck) my oil pressure is dangerously low. Why is this?

tanstaafl.
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#68388 - 16/02/2002 10:12 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: tanstaafl.]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
And another reali life question... Lets say i slap a Jackson Racing Supercharger on my Civic, the specs of which require at LEAST 92 Octane gas. I live in California... where they recently allowed the spec of "supreme" to be dropped to 91 Octane. (i believe you can still find 92 some places, but not that i've seen so far). So... what would i do?
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#68389 - 16/02/2002 12:04 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: loren]
KungFuCow
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Registered: 18/01/2002
Posts: 234
You could use some kind of ingition retard to pull a little timing out like the MSD DIS ignition or you could build/buy an alcohol injection system or if you want to go right out on the fringe, a propane injection system.

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#68390 - 16/02/2002 14:28 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: KungFuCow]
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
Ill tackle loren's question first since its right up my alley. The only problem with running lower octane is you would have a tendency to detonate, so you can do a couple of things. First you could get a a J & G Safeguard system which would let you run on the ragged edge of timing safely because if it senses any knocking itll yank the timing back to prevent damage, or you could get the water injection system that JR has available. The water injection system injects a mist of water into the intake manifold and therefore cools the intake air down considerably you would have to refill the water bottle at every fill up but oh well. Yeah the MSD DIS Ignition would be a good investment as it does retard timing as boost goes up but unlike the J % G safeguard it cannot sense detonation before it happens.

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#68391 - 17/02/2002 19:23 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: loren]
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
Here is what you wanna get.....
MSD 6BTM ignition and set the retard rate at 1.5 this will let you keep off boost power and yank back the timing as boost increases.

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#68392 - 17/02/2002 20:33 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
KungFuCow
enthusiast

Registered: 18/01/2002
Posts: 234
Arent the Honda's DIS? How is a 6 BTM going to work on a DIS ignition? Keep in mind I dont know [censored] about Honda's but Ive used the BTM quite a bit on other applications.

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#68393 - 17/02/2002 21:29 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: KungFuCow]
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
Honda's are not distributor less ignition so the 6 BTM would allow him to retard timing as boost increased.

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#68394 - 17/02/2002 23:40 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
KungFuCow
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Registered: 18/01/2002
Posts: 234
Cool.. Im surprised Honda hasn't gone that way. I thought almost all new cars were DIS now. I've used lots of MSD 6-BTMs on supercharged Mustangs I have built. They work really well as long as you keep them out of the elements. They sure seem to fail at the worst possible times also.

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#68395 - 18/02/2002 00:43 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: KungFuCow]
acurasquirrel
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Registered: 10/01/2002
Posts: 186
Loc: Georgia
Yeah they are hella noisy if you keep em in the cabin and dont hold up to the weather. Yeah us hondas still have distributors, trust me I just replaced the rotor and housing a couple of days ago.

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#68396 - 18/02/2002 12:12 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: acurasquirrel]
eternalsun
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
That would be a J&S Safeguard.

Calvin

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#68397 - 18/02/2002 12:23 Re: Continued Car talk [Re: tanstaafl.]
eternalsun
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
This one has me stumped, though I have my guesses. Ugh, somebody answer this one! :-D

Calvin

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