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#75356 - 26/02/2002 19:27 New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
The new prerelease jEmplode on http://www.jempeg.org can now download from the Empeg using HTTP via HiJack. This gives you close to download the performance over the Empeg protocol. I'm looking into what it would take to upload using HiJack, but this is a bit trickier.

To enable HiJack downloads, go to Tools... Options ... and select "Use HiJack when Possible".

PLEASE NOTE: Don't even bother checking the box if you don't have HiJack installed on your Empeg -- All downloads will fail if you do.

Mike

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#75357 - 26/02/2002 23:44 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mschrag]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
K, excuse my idiocy if i'm missing something obvious... but what would the advantage be, and if there isn't one, why was this implemented.

Just wanna make sure I "get it" if it needs to go in the FAQ. Thanks for all the kick ass work on Jemplode. Great stuff.
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#75358 - 27/02/2002 00:03 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: loren]
jbauer
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Registered: 08/05/2000
Posts: 1429
Loc: San Francisco, CA
I think this gives a big speed increase...?

- Jon

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#75359 - 27/02/2002 01:16 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: jbauer]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Hrm... i just didn't know how to take this sentence...

"This gives you close to download the performance over the Empeg protocol"

Does that mean "close to the performance of the empeg protocol" or "download performance over the empeg protocol"?
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#75360 - 27/02/2002 01:22 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: loren]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
I think it was a typo. I think Mike meant:

"This gives you close to double the download performance over the Empeg protocol"

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#75361 - 27/02/2002 01:27 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: tfabris]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Nice... let's hope that's the case =]
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#75362 - 27/02/2002 01:36 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: loren]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Just tried it. It is the case. Rock. Nice work, Mike.
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#75363 - 27/02/2002 06:29 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: tfabris]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
hehehe .. WHOOPS .. Yeah .. I was typing fast. My poor brain couldn't keep up.

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#75364 - 27/02/2002 06:32 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mschrag]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
Too late for me to edit the post, but just so you don't have to read all the way down the thread that should say "close to _double_ the performance" not "close to _download_ the performance". That would be me not paying attention as I was typing. Sorry for the confusion.

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#75365 - 27/02/2002 07:35 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mschrag]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Wow! So has anyone done a test or writen a little experience with how this thing downloads into folders? I've never used Jemplode, but this feature alone will make me look into it. Also, this plue VolAdjust and TimeDelay are the only things tempting about the HiJack (to me).
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#75366 - 27/02/2002 07:49 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
If you download from playlists, it will create folders that correspond to those playlists. If you download from the soup, you can specify the format of what directories will be created (i.e. {artist}\{title}.mp3)

Mike

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#75367 - 27/02/2002 08:23 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14472
Loc: Canada
>VolAdjust and TimeDelay are the only things tempting
>about the HiJack (to me).

Err.. how about "Filesystem Check on Sync::Disabled" and the two "Restore Visuals" functions.. and the short-knob-press menu.. Those are all universal pothole patches for the player.

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#75368 - 27/02/2002 08:45 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mlord]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
Genius never is appreciated in its own time

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#75369 - 27/02/2002 09:29 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mlord]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Sorry 'bout that Mark. After I posted, I was thinking that maybe I should clarify a bit.

The reason that I haven't stepped up to HiJack yet is because I'd rather wait until 2.00 gets a more stable beta. Currently, I don't use even 1/2 of the features in the player software. This is mearly because I'm still learning them all. I don't know crap about Linux, so thoughts of FTP'ing into it is beyond my skills at this time. So I'm not that much of a hacker. The features that are most appealing to me are the music orientated ones. I don't have a LAN at home, and am not allowed to plug into the LAN at work, so I can't benefit from any streaming yet. (LAN at home is in the works however...)

I didn't mean any disrespect. In fact, the only reason that I am being so appologetic is because I do appreciate what you are doing. I like how you have been helping other developers (and demanding more from them). I have even been tempted to post something along the lines of "Now that Hugo isn't allowed to work on the player software, and it is probably not given high priority at SB compared to other projects, I really wish Mark was given the player source and allowed to help on the Beta developement." I thought some people might take it the wrong way (as in "what the empeg guys aren't good enough for you!?!") so I never posted it as its own thread.
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#75370 - 27/02/2002 10:54 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14472
Loc: Canada
Okay, unnecessary apologetic drivelling accepted.

You are hereby sentenced to go forth and use Tony's Logo Editor to install a custom boot logo onto your pristine player!

Get up off your knees and go forth!!

(sheez..)

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#75371 - 27/02/2002 11:10 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mlord]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
To my credit, I've had custom boot logos for nearly 1/2 a year! I think I have 20 or so boot logos that I've uploaded to the logo site too. (With correct colors).
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#75372 - 27/02/2002 11:19 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mlord]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Get up off your knees and go forth!!

Taking our last name a little too literally, are we?
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#75373 - 27/02/2002 11:32 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
Now that Hugo isn't allowed to work on the player software

Hugo hasn't been allowed to work on the player software for years! It's complicated, and he would break it.

(I think you slightly misinterpreted his post from which you gleaned this information)

Rob

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#75374 - 27/02/2002 11:38 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: rob]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Rob, thanks for the correction on that. I assumed that when he said he wasn't allowed it was because he was instructed not to by someone above him in the company. He only mentioned the player software. Based on that, it made sense it was related to the EOL.

I was wondering why my post in that thread never got a response! Everyone must have been saying "what the hell is he talking about!"

Enough fumblings for today.... I'm going to i-club.com for a few hours.
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#75375 - 27/02/2002 14:44 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mschrag]
Nosferatu
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Registered: 24/08/2001
Posts: 344
Loc: France, Champagne
Mike, when editing Congif.ini here is what I have :



Attachments
73625-jemplode.jpg (128 downloads)

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#75376 - 27/02/2002 14:49 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: Nosferatu]
mschrag
pooh-bah

Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
That's a pretty picture If this is about turning on HiJack downloads, you want Tools.. Options, not Tools... Edit Config.ini . If it's not, then I'm thoroughly confused.

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#75377 - 27/02/2002 15:01 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mschrag]
Nosferatu
enthusiast

Registered: 24/08/2001
Posts: 344
Loc: France, Champagne
Sorry, I am not clear :

This picture is what I have after choosing Tools -> Edit Config.ini.

I don't sync my player, exit Jemplode, Launch Emplode and Edit my config.ini but I dont Have those caracters ??

Here is a sample of my config.ini

;Define Httpd Port
khttpd_port=80
;Disable play for HTTP Stream
;khttpd_commands=0
;Disable File Browsing
khttpd_files=1
;Define FTP Max Connexions
max_connections=3
supress_notify=1
;Enable Tuner Simulation
;fake_tuner=1

and here is what I hve in Jemplode

; ??? ;Define Httpd Port
khttpd_port=80
; ??? ;Disable play for HTTP Stream
;khttpd_commands=0
; ??? ;Disable File Browsing
khttpd_files=1
; ??? ;Define FTP Max Connexions
max_connections=3
supress_notify=1
; ??? ;Enable Tuner Simulation
;fake_tuner=1



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#75378 - 27/02/2002 15:06 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: Nosferatu]
mschrag
pooh-bah

Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
I wonder if that's because you didn't specify a group for those values ... config.ini is a windows .ini-format file.

maybe make it:

[whatevergroupname]
;Define Httpd Port
.
.
.

I'll look at that tonight, regardless.

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#75379 - 27/02/2002 15:09 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: Nosferatu]
mschrag
pooh-bah

Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
Nope .. weird .. I looked at this. For some strange reason emptool (which i ported straight from) prepends all comments with "???". I'll remove that -- it doesn't appear to do anything.

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#75380 - 27/02/2002 15:11 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mschrag]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
I got those ???'s when i was setting up my ir_translate. I just made sure there were no extra carraige returns or extra spaces at the end of the lines and they cleared up.
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#75381 - 27/02/2002 15:13 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: mschrag]
mschrag
pooh-bah

Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
I lied again -- in 1600x1200 a : looks a lot like ; ... jEmplode was basically looking for colons instead of semicolons at the head of the line.... My bad.

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#75382 - 27/02/2002 16:48 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: Nosferatu]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
OK -- it should be fixed in the new prerelease on www.jempeg.org (along with layered soup playlists <by artist, by album> -- this is brand new, so expect some weirdness).

Mike

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#75383 - 27/02/2002 19:14 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
jwickis
addict

Registered: 24/08/2000
Posts: 658
Loc: India
I don't know crap about Linux, so thoughts of FTP'ing into it is beyond my skills at this time.

I don't know much of anything about Linux either except what I've learned from people here. I use a Windows based FTP program to access files not Linux.

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#75384 - 27/02/2002 19:21 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: jwickis]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
I do FTP quite a bit too for web design stuff. What I meant was that I don't trust myself dinking around inside of the empeg. I still find it weird that you can assign max room to folders for instance.

I used to use DOS all the time before Windows, so I'm not intimidated by a command prompt, but I don't know any of the commands. I just faithfully follow instructions given to me in the upgrade guide or on this BBS.

FWIW: I did go and install HiJack! Very cool! I didn't realize it so seamlessly integrated into the player software. I always thought you had to F around to tweek it. I know you CAN do that, but before, I thought HAD to.
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#75385 - 27/02/2002 20:11 Re: New jEmplode prerelease can download using HiJack [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14472
Loc: Canada
>FWIW: I did go and install HiJack! Very cool! I didn't realize
>it so seamlessly integrated into the player software.
>I always thought you had to F around to tweek it.
>I know you CAN do that, but before, I thought HAD to.

I kinda suspected that might be the case.. thanks for giving it a try and finding out otherwise.

A primary design principle for Hijack is that it must be incredibly simple to install and use for anyone here. Sure, it has a heck of a lot of more advanced features, but nearly everything comes up with sensible first-level functionality, and the rest is still reasonably easy to configure if one chooses to.

Cheers


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