Tuners, for the purchasing of

Posted by: pca

Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 11:50

Now.

http://www.pcats.co.uk

pca

(I told you it would be soon )
Posted by: matthew_k

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 11:55

Whoo Hooo! Number six! Now to go and read the rest of the tuner page. Thanks again for all your hard work, we all appreciate it.

Matthew
Posted by: tonyc

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 11:55

That poor, poor, poor web server... It'll never know what hit it...
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:01

Number 10 !!!!
Posted by: Daria

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:02

Number 11
Posted by: mcomb

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:02

Hallelujah, now people can stop bitching (at least until the first 50 sell out)
Posted by: fossi

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:06

Number 14 ... :-)
Posted by: tonyc

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:06

I think to mess with people, Patrick should have started the numbering system at like 300 or something.
Posted by: pca

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:08

You'll never know how tempted I was...

pca
Posted by: andym

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:09

Number 15, finally the long wait is over!
Posted by: durden

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:09

Ack! In my gleeful haste I seem to have accidentally placed 2 orders! Anyhow I *meant* to have my order shipped to Mark and only order one, but if both orders went through could you remove one? I would hate to mess the count up and screw someone out of their discount!

Posted by: pca

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:09

Well, that'll be about an hour at the current rate

pca
Posted by: Daria

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:10

I'd actually guess closer to 45 minutes.
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:12

Patrick... I have asked for it to be sent to me, but have emailed Jon Andrews to see if he will build it. At the time of payment, can I change the delivery address? I didn't want to lose out so I ordered before I contacted Jon.
Posted by: pca

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:12

I've checked, and you only seem to have put one through.

pca
Posted by: andym

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:13

To be honest, when I saw there was a message on Announcements I assumed it would be for 2.0final

Believe me, the smile on my face is about a mile wide!
Posted by: pca

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:13

Yes, I'll allow it just this once

pca
Posted by: tonyc

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:15

You'll never know how tempted I was...

Well, then at least make sure that this guy's order number is somewhere in the 10,000 range.
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:18

Thank you!
Posted by: g_attrill

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:26

LOL, I filled in the form, pressed the order button and *then* looked to see how much it will cost me...

Gareth (#19)
Posted by: andym

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:27

In reply to:

LOL, I filled in the form, pressed the order button and *then* looked to see how much it will cost me...




Me too, nevermind, it'll be the flexible friend taking the strain anyway!
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:27

Me too! I'm now reading small print! What number are we at now?
Posted by: skibum

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:30

Numer 12.
Posted by: jarob10

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:30

Your order number is 22.

I feel kinda special.
Posted by: JeepBastard

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:30

whoo hoo! # 150!

*jk*
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:32

Your joking, right?
Posted by: papinist

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:34

Oh, funny:
I 'm back to the bbs after about ten days, and I have the possibility to be one of the first lucky buyers of the long-awaiting tuner kits
However, I need to buy three tuner (for me and two of my friends) and, since I don't really need it very badly, I think I will wait when we can use credit cards and buy more than one for person (and maybe a reduction of price - 110£, ugh!)

So, guy number 50, you have to thank me... you should be #51
Posted by: alex25

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:40

I'm the lucky one with order number 25.
Posted by: genixia

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:43

27. Get in quick people.
Posted by: Attack

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:43

Yeah, #9!

Also the currency is UK pounds correct?

Ahh I see it now on the web page. I didn't read it very will the first time since I wanted to get my order in so I wouldn't miss out.
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:45

Yes. Sterling.
Posted by: tman

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:46

Yeah. Anybody that wants one should get one now.

Your order number is 17
Order placed at Sun 2 Feb 2003 7:18 pm

Lucky that I checked the BBS when I came back from dinner!

- Trevor
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:48

Only checking since dinner? Pff... I've been camped here since October time!
Posted by: tman

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:52

Where'd all the crazy turbine experiments go to in the new site though?

- Trevor
Posted by: g_attrill

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:53

Only checking since dinner? Pff... I've been camped here since October time!

I guess I'm one of the guys who waits until they fling open the main doors and then slips in the side entrance and hope no-one notices.

edit: and gets the crap kicked out of them *ouch!*

Gareth
Posted by: pgrzelak

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 12:55

- 29... Mark, I sent you email!!!
Posted by: justinlarsen

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 13:26

so is anyone gunna charge to put these together? hehe, Im waiting for the credit card options on the page, no 10% discount for me
Posted by: pgrzelak

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 13:29

I am sure there would be some time and handling charge for any assembly. I just wonder how Mark will keep up with it - between button kits, the newly available docking stations and now the tuners...
Posted by: Centrknol

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 13:37

Your order number is 34
Order placed at Sun 2 Feb 2003 8:19 pm
---
Shipping Status
Orders 26 through 50 expected to ship in 8 - 10 days,

Let it be 2 weeks, I'm verry happy :-))))


Greetings, Robert
Posted by: holio

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 13:56

Alright! I'm number 38. So exciting!
Posted by: pgrzelak

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 13:59

How do the new tuners compare to the orignal tuners? Any new features or Easter eggs?
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 14:18

Thats what I was wondering. How many memory spaces has it etc etc.
Posted by: dr_dos

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 15:05

Unbelievable,
I left my PC for just 3hrs after checking the forum several times a day for month now and when I returned from dinner the tuners were already available all over sudden...

Fortunately I managed to be #47. Woohoo!

Peter
Posted by: dr_dos

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 15:11

Uh, I forgot:

Thanks PCA, Du bist der Held...

Peter
Posted by: dr_dos

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 15:18

BTW,
how much are £110 in €?

Peter
Posted by: papinist

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 15:28

110.00 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 168.060 EUR Euro
1 GBP = 1.52782 EUR 1 EUR = 0.654529 GBP
as of 2003.02.02 22:25:22 GMT
Posted by: canuckInOR

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 15:30

Snuck in under the gun, as well: #48!

I have to admit that it couldn't have come at a worse time, though -- I just shelled out a whack load of money for a vacation in a couple weeks and the bank account is at an all-time post-student low.

Posted by: dr_dos

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 15:30

Thanks for the info.

Peter
Posted by: Warp10

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 15:44

Guess what.... Number 49 !!!!!! I'm soooo happy !!!!
Thanks Patrick

Cheers,
Thorsten
Posted by: Chuck

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 15:45

Phew....

"Your order number is 50"

Posted by: ninti

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 16:22

Damn, I missed the first batch. There is never much traffic here on weekends so I rarely check the boards.
Posted by: mandiola

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 16:38

This is just a thought, but I could maybe assemble kits. I havn't had much time to look at all the components that need to be put together and I obviously don't have a kit. I will look at everything tonight. Just let me know if there isn't enough people to put these kits together and i'll figure out if i can help or not. Couldn't be much harder then soldering mod chips in playstations ; )

-Greg
Posted by: maczrool

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 16:44

In reply to:

so is anyone gunna charge to put these together?




The offer still stands for us to assemble the tuners. Those of you who have purchased a digital out board/ installation know we're more than capable of tackling these. Details to come shortly on the website (later today or tomorrow).

Stu
Posted by: pgrzelak

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 17:11

You might want to get a link on Patrick's site.
Posted by: MMorrow

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 18:17

I can't believe I didn't check the board earlier ... but I'm still happy with being #60. Thank you Patrick!
Posted by: Shonky

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 18:20

Slashdotted... or should that be empegged or empegbbsed, just doesn't sound the same...

By the way. If anyone in Australia/NZ etc wants one built I can do it.
Posted by: number6

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 19:23

I think its a router or DNS propagation issue - I can't get in either and our ISP uses Telstra in Sydney to connect to the outside world!

I've been trying since 5 minutes after the link was posted and its not working for me.

Posted by: Shonky

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 20:45

Nah DNS is fine for me, lookup happened pretty much straight away. I'm on Telstra ADSL although I run our own DNS. Took about 2-3 minutes for the first page to load and then about 1-2 for the others - I assume because the buttons etc were cached.
Posted by: MP3944

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 02/02/2003 21:51

Yep, I have it pretty bad, just ordered a tuner with FEDEX International Priority, and set the image of the assembled unit w/o case as my desktop wallpaper.
Wadda you gonna do?
Yeah #67!!!!!!!
Posted by: alex25

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 01:00

I already ordered a tuner kit (#25) for myself. Hope to get it soon...
If someone from Switzerland is interested, I would offer to assemly and test the tuner module for you. Just send me a (private) message.
Posted by: mpelaz

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 01:38

Hi!

Well, my order number is #74. I'll get one!
Sure I find it quite expensive, but here it is!
¿What happened with the old lists where we sign in to be in the order cue? Several months ago, it's true...

Thanks:

Miguel.
Posted by: g_attrill

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 02:50

¿What happened with the old lists where we sign in to be in the order cue? Several months ago, it's true...

I believe there was one (or more) "interest" lists so Patrick could gauge whether it was worth putting the (pretty large) amount of work into redesigning the board into a through-hole design.

It wasn't an order list remebering previous discussions, as it would take an age to find the posts and follow up each one individually and find out whether they are interested etc.

Gareth
Posted by: simspos

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 06:44

Heh Miguel,

I've got the one before you..... HAH, HAH !!

......only joking mate , but its going to be a long, cold wait for those of us with numbers over 50.

Cheers, Sim

Your order number is 73
Order placed at Mon 3 Feb 2003 8:27 am

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 07:59

Phew....

"Your order number is 50"


Thank papinist.
Posted by: suomi35

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 08:14

If only I had a damn player now

(working on it though )
Posted by: mpelaz

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 08:36

Hi all

Sure it's going to be a hard wait... (enough time to have all the money!) Meanwhile i'm using a damn 10€ portable radio plugged to the Aux ins... no RDS, no tuner stability, no fidelity... but I can listen to the traffic state!
I'm making plans about what to do with the extra relays the tuner has, I don't know yet what to plug, so I'll take that wait time thinking about it :-)

Cheers!

Miguel.
Posted by: simspos

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 08:45

(enough time to have all the money!)

I knew their had to be an up-side to waiting


Cheers, Sim

Your order number is 73
Order placed at Mon 3 Feb 2003 8:27 am
Posted by: loren

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 11:50

Patrick, i sent you an email re: the sympathy tuner.
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 12:09

...and just hope he remembers his promise to you after all these months!
Posted by: EDub

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 14:09

Hmm, so with shipping and assembling these things could easily cost over $250.00 USD.
Seems a bit pricey at the moment for me at the moment.

Great work on delivering the product though! I hope it satisfies everyones need.
Posted by: loren

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 14:26

he did, but i wouldn't have been upset if he didn't. I never expected it in the first place. =]
Posted by: maczrool

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/02/2003 18:10

In reply to:

You might want to get a link on Patrick's site.




I will ask. Our site is up with all the info regarding tuner assembly.

Stu
Posted by: mail2mm

Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 03:31

I wonder if http://www.pcats.co.uk has been up the past 12 hours or so? I know I will not be in the first batch of kits delivered but still wanted to place my order. No luck getting the site to come up on my browser or pinging. Comments?
Posted by: StigOE

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 04:20

It's up now.

Stig
Posted by: AndrewT

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 16:03

Out of curiosity, what order number are we up to now, the highest I have seen so far is #73?
Posted by: loren

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 16:58

My coworker Nick got #100 yesterday afternoon... so probably above that.
Posted by: number6

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 17:01

I can't see Patricks site either - havn't been able to since it was announced
- we may have the same problem esp. if you're in NZ currently.
I suspect its a DNS "zone" problem.
If you're in NZ, are you using Paradise.net [or any ISP that routes via TelstraClear's network? - if so, then you're in the same boat as me so to speak.

I've tried dial up using a different ISP with no luck either.

Posted by: pca

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 17:44

I've checked, and there is indeed a potential problem with connection to the server from Australia/NZ (also korea, russia, and a few other places), following a number of ddos and hack attacks. There was a group of script kiddies in Sydney who persistently tried to hack it, and as a result much of australia was put in a geographical IP block. ICMP (ie ping requests) has been turned off due to the ddos attacks, and no connection from russia or korea is accepted at all since they're always hack attempts!

Anyway, the server owners have been asked to look into the block to down under, and much of it should be removed soon.

Sorry about this, to anyone who lives in kangarooland and wants a tuner. I wasn't aware of the blocking, although I knew about the cracking attempts. My only suggestion as a temporary workaround is to try connecting via a non-australian/nz proxy, or via a web anonymiser service.

pca
Posted by: mlord

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 18:06

Mmm.. interesting. My own server logs show numerous DAILY crack attacks from all over the planet, but typically .kr, .ru, and other asian domains. These are in addition to the extremely common Code Red and SQL Slammer packets.

The firewall (Linux, of couse, plus some personal customization and coding..) just drops the lot of them, and keeps me informed as it goes along.. (crossing fingers behind back).

Cheers
Posted by: tman

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 18:34

Ick. It's annoying how worms can basically live for years on the internet now. There are always unpatched systems out there without anybody looking after them that will become infected.

- Trevor
Posted by: foxtrot_xray

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 04/02/2003 19:11

In reply to:


My coworker Nick got #100 yesterday afternoon... so probably above that.




Huh. I got #97, yesterday around 2:30EST. (That's what I get for having to go down to Fla to take care of my horses for the weekend. No Internet access down there. Hell, no cel coverage, either.)

If the first 50 batch was going to be made first, anyone know what the wait is for the next 50 batch? Anxious to finally get my baby mounted in my.. uh.. baby.

Me.
Posted by: mail2mm

Re: Tuner order site available?? - 06/02/2003 04:13

I am in New Zealand presently using xtra.co.nz as an ISP. XTRA belongs to Telecom New Zealand, the largest ISP, in this country. I still can not access the tuner order site so I have asked a friend in Seattle to add me to his order for a tuner.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that your time available will allow orders above number 100 to be shipped in another month or two. Thanks for all the work including the gorgeous documentation.

Michael
Posted by: chrispitude

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 06/02/2003 18:56

I just checked a currency conversion website, and the tuner and shipping would be well over $200US. I guess the exchange rates just aren't very favorable here on the other side of the pond at the moment. As much as I have looked forward to this day, I think I will have to sit on the sidelines until it becomes a little more economical to upgrade my two Empegs. This saddens me greatly.

Patrick, do you see any potential price reductions down the road as you scale up production?

- Chris

Posted by: pca

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 06/02/2003 19:45


Patrick, do you see any potential price reductions down the road as you scale up production?


It's very difficult to say. The quantities are very small for production at the moment, and likely to stay like that. The tuner modules, which are by far the single largest cost of the project, don't have a major price break between hundreds (what I'm buying) and thousands.

Putting the kits together, by which I don't mean assembling them , is very labour-intensive, and the rest of the parts are moderately pricey. I'm buying everything in quantities of 50 at a go, and again to get significant savings I'd have to go up to at least 250 off. I don't think the number of orders is likely to get to the point this could be sustained.

There was an initial huge burst of orders placed (25 in the first ten minutes, fifty in the first hour or so, nearly a hundred within 24 hours), but this has steadily dropped to around 5 a day (it's up to about 130 now). So as a result, I'm not going to be rushing out and buying $16000 worth of tuner modules which is what I'd have to do to get even a few percent better price.

The situation may change, but don't bank on it.

pca
Posted by: njtomlin

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 28/05/2003 08:22

Just in case anyone was curious, here is the order status as of today:

Your order number is 239
Order placed at Wed 28 May 2003 3:57 pm

I can't wait...
Posted by: trs24

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 28/05/2003 12:26

Your order number is 239
hmmm... Any idea what order number is currently shipping? That is what I'm curious about.

I've emailed PCATS reagaring that but haven't received a response.

- trs
Posted by: njtomlin

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 28/05/2003 14:05

After ordering, a message is displayed that says they are working on orders "50-100 right now." Again, I've got a long way to go!
Posted by: CrackersMcCheese

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 28/05/2003 14:10

Patrick is not the best at answering emails. I'm STILL waiting for a postage refund after my order was screwed up. No response. Suprise surprise.
Posted by: Guschti

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 28/05/2003 15:05

To give you an idea about the shipping status here is my automaitc reply I got from the website but no tuner so far.
Seems 51+ is not shipped yet...

------------------------
Your order number is 61
Order placed at Mon 3 Feb 2003 12:17 am
------------------------

I also am very interested in news about my two tuners I ordered :-)
Posted by: maczrool

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 28/05/2003 20:50

In reply to:

Patrick is not the best at answering emails.




He's always replied to my e-mails; I guess I'm special .

Stu
Posted by: canuckInOR

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 28/05/2003 22:10

He's always answered mine promptly, too, though mine weren't "so is my tuner almost ready yet" emails. I could understand if he's simply ignoring requests for status email. If there's a major delay or cause for concern, I'm sure he'll post up here on the board as he has in the past.

Till then, remember that patience is a virtue (says the guy who already got his tuner).
Posted by: altman

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 29/05/2003 10:25

He was having big problems with antenna connectors; I've not heard anything since.

Hugo
Posted by: andym

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 29/05/2003 10:34

What specific problems was he having? I've found my antenna connector to be a little intermittent...
Posted by: Oli

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 29/05/2003 13:09

I found that the antenna connector didn't screw up tight enough, and the metal shield in the connector wasn't touching the screen clamp causing the connection to be broken and the reception to be lost.

I removed the socket and soldered the coax directly to the aerial plug and taped it up, works better.

I am still experiencing a problem with reception where the quality of the bass and treble varies up and down over short periods of time. The signal meter shows good signal and the antenna is brand new and has a good ground. There are no shorts between the centre and screen either.

Does anyone else have this problem?

Oli.
Posted by: andym

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 29/05/2003 13:40

Sounds very similar to my problem, i'll fiddle with the connector when I get a spare moment....
Posted by: Warp10

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/06/2003 07:57

Hi! My tuner module has similar problems. It only happens with stations broadcasting RDS signals.
I've send my tuner back to pca, but he's telling me that it works fine. Maybe it helps if someone else has similar problems. cheers
Posted by: elvis

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 04/06/2003 22:24

You have no idea how fortunate you are. I purchased my original empeg tuner for $220. Shortly after I did people were purchasing theirs for upwards of $400!

Totally insane.
Posted by: Guschti

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 10/06/2003 11:19

Greetings to all who wait for pca's tuner kit!
I think we all want some news about the shipping status - but there is no update here or on his site.
If he will not ship any kits from now on I would understand... but _please_ tell us some news.
For me it's also fine to just have the schematics and the PIC software - make it public, so I can build my own tuner.

many thanks
Posted by: sn00p

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 10/06/2003 12:17

you can't, you won't be able to purchase the actual tuner module itself - it's not possible to buy it in one offs (barring buying the evaluation kit and ripping the tuner off of the board) and I think the pic code is a closely guarded secret!

Adrian
Posted by: rob

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 10/06/2003 14:42

Actually there was an update a few days ago in another thread. I'd look for it but I already have a tuner

Rob
Posted by: Yang

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 10/06/2003 14:54

That would be this thread posted by pca on 01/06/03 12:20 PM.
Posted by: Phireman19

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 10/06/2003 21:24

Does anyone have ANY idea of what number he is at on shipping? I am #123.
Posted by: mtempsch

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 10/06/2003 21:28

I think he's currently processing 50-100 (or 50-75). I know he's done 1-25 and 26-50 (I had queue number 28)

/Michael
Posted by: Phireman19

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 10/06/2003 21:31

ok.
The last email I got from him was a month ago, saying my order would be processed in a few weeks.
Oh well, I'll keep waiting
Posted by: rowitech

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 11/06/2003 00:28

I am in the range of #80 and am waiting, too.
So stay tuned (or not, without tuner ;-)).

Rolf
Posted by: Guschti

Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of - 03/07/2003 15:50

finally :-) my 2 tuner kits - order #61 arrived this week.
there is hope for you out there...