How to fix genre tags...

Posted by: jbauer

How to fix genre tags... - 09/06/2006 23:03

I just set up Media Connect on the XBox 360. Very cool, but I can tell that some of my genre tags are screwy. I want to fix the tags on my empeg.

I have my playlists set up as follows:

Genre -> Artist -> Album

What I want to do is to highlight all of the songs in all of the albums in the entire genre playlists, highlight, set the genre, and sync.

I can't figure out how to select every song in a genre. Does it make sense what I'm trying to do? I must be missing something easy...

- Thanx
- Jon
Posted by: tanstaafl.

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 09/06/2006 23:17

I can't figure out how to select every song in a genre.

Here I was, all set to be helpful and explain how easy it was to select all the songs in a genre with emplode 2.0, when I re-read your post and realized you wanted it for some kind of X-Box thingie.

I don't suppose your X-Box works with emplode, does it?

tanstaafl.
Posted by: jbauer

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 09/06/2006 23:20

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I can't figure out how to select every song in a genre.

Here I was, all set to be helpful and explain how easy it was to select all the songs in a genre with emplode 2.0, when I re-read your post and realized you wanted it for some kind of X-Box thingie.

I don't suppose your X-Box works with emplode, does it?

tanstaafl.


Nonono, I ultimately want to stream from my PC to my XBox, but I want to fix the tags ON my empeg using emplode. I want to fix the tags, re-download the files to my PC and make everything perfect in my little universe. Please continue educating me...

- Jon
Posted by: tfabris

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 00:15

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I can't figure out how to select every song in a genre.

More specifically, you want to select every song in the parent playlist named <some genre>, including all songs in all its sub-playlists (the hard part). Then make a single edit to fix the tags (the easy part).

Hm. Tricky. I don't know how to do it in Emplode. Possibly it can be done in Jemplode, but I'm not sure how to do it there either. Anyone?

But even then, even if you can do the edit you're talking about... remember this.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 00:18

I know that in Jemplode, you can highlight a playlist, and then do a "Change Color" thingy on it, theoretically (if I recall correctly), color-tagging everything that lies beneath that tree level. But once you've done that, I don't know what good that will do you. It might make songs easier to select in the "all tracks" screen, but I don't know if you can sort on color, or select all colored tracks, or what. I'm out of town without my empeg so I can't try any of these ideas myself.
Posted by: msaeger

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 01:54

Do you have the mp3s on your pc with incorrect tags already ? if you do it would be easier to fix them on the pc then re-upload to the empeg.
Posted by: jbauer

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 02:57

Ha! Actually, I deleted them on my hard drive with the intention of fixing the tags on the empeg! Didn't realize that this would be complicated.

- Jon
Posted by: jbauer

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 04:34

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But even then, even if you can do the edit you're talking about... remember this.


Right. I was planning to use jemplode to capture the emplode tags to the mp3 tags...

Weird thing, I was experimenting with copying mp3s to the empeg using emplode - with JUST the mp3v2 tag set, the tags wouldn't populate properly. With the id3v1 tag set, it would.

I'm using Winamp v5.2 to set the id3 tags, so that COULD be the problem, but that would surprise me.

My concern is that I am considering an upgrade of the hard drives in my empeg and if I do that, I'd need to copy all my mp3s to the new drive(s). I'd of course want to keep the id3 tags that I've been slaving to perfect for the last 5 years. If I have to write them from jemplode as id3v1 tags, then many of the longer song/album/group names would get cropped...

Thoughts?

- Thanx
- Jon
Posted by: msaeger

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 05:18

I would download the tracks then fix the tags and then reload the empeg.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 05:38

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with JUST the mp3v2 tag set, the tags wouldn't populate properly. With the id3v1 tag set, it would.

The only way that situation could happen is if there was additional garbage appended to the file, something that wasn't MP3 audio data, and wasn't a tag. Such as album art or lyrics that were just plain text at the end (as opposed to a true SYLT tag).
Posted by: jbauer

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 05:44

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The only way that situation could happen is if there was additional garbage appended to the file, something that wasn't MP3 audio data, and wasn't a tag. Such as album art or lyrics that were just plain text at the end (as opposed to a true SYLT tag).


Hm. If data like that is on there, I can't see it with Winamp.

I'll try with some more mp3's that I've created myself.

- Jon
Posted by: tfabris

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 11:59

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Hm. If data like that is on there, I can't see it with Winamp.

You wouldn't see it with WinAmp. You'd see it with a binary editor like UltraEdit. More information in the usual place: Why does Emplode keep getting my tags wrong?
Posted by: jbauer

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 10/06/2006 13:31

I ripped a CD with EAC and LAME, edited the tags with Winamp, and then tried to copy to my empeg using emplode. Tags don't import. Must be Winamp...

Need to do more experimentation.

- Jon
Posted by: tfabris

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 11/06/2006 02:03

Didn't someone else report problems with winamp 5's tags?
Posted by: peter

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 11/06/2006 07:18

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Why does Emplode keep getting my tags wrong?

Heh. I love the way that writeup makes it sound like the MP3's fault, not Emplode's, that Lyrics tags aren't supported.

Peter
Posted by: FireFox31

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 11/06/2006 11:33

On the computer, a tag editing program (Tag&Rename recommended) can tag all the genres in your genre playlist in about three clicks and 15 seconds. Highly recommended.

When cleaning my tags, my empeg found bad-data tags that neither Winamp or Tag&Rename could find. Easily fixed by dropping the MP3 in Notepad and trimming the bad data off the end of the file. Do a windows search on *.mp3 looking inside the files for "Brava". MusicMatch Jukebox, I believe, put loads of bad data at the end of every file it encoded. That'll teach me to download MP3s off the Internet...

I've found my MP3s are quite resilient to hacking in Notepad, allowing me to trim off long silences at the end of songs, etc. You can kind of tell where the frame starts and ends, just select and delete.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 11/06/2006 14:30

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Heh. I love the way that writeup makes it sound like the MP3's fault, not Emplode's, that Lyrics tags aren't supported.

It does support it if it's a proper TAG placed inside the proper kind of ID3V2 field. It's only when it's plain ASCII text splatted haphazardly onto the end of the file that Emplode gets it wrong.

I know that there's something someone calls a "lyric tag" that's formatted that way, but personally I refuse to recognize that kind of sloppy specification as a proper tag format.
Posted by: Bernz

Re: How to fix genre tags... - 13/06/2006 22:42

I'm pretty sure that if the ID3 V2.x tags contain "non-standard" parts, emplode will get confused and not parse anything for that file, when you're uploading.

What I do now is clear the existing ID3 stuff, and re-gen it all. There's a fantastic, free program for this: http://www.id3-tagit.de/

Only possible downside is that it requires dot-net framework 1.1.