WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens

Posted by: meast

WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 20/07/2007 08:56

Just spent $800 to have my MKIIa put into my BMW 330 and I can't see the damn thing through BC's Red lens. Way too dark.

Anybody know if the original red lens was a better match for BMW Orange and/or easier to see through?

I'm thinking a clear lens sandwich with orange gel in the middle might be the only way to go here. Is there any chance of me finding one of the old Rainbow sets somewhere?

Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 20/07/2007 11:16

The red lens was a late addition to the official lenses, but it was pretty close to the BMW dash lights color. That said, you're trying to tint blue-green light to a red color. It's going to be dark. There's not a lot of red being emitted in the first place.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 20/07/2007 15:40

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Anybody know if the original red lens was a better match for BMW Orange and/or easier to see through?


All red lenses suck, because the VFD display is green. Here is a detailed photographic comparison of what they all look like.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 20/07/2007 15:46

Man. Looking back at that web page, I forgot what an insane system I had come up with for getting perfect comparison photographs of every lens in three possible lighting conditions. I was nuts.
Posted by: tanstaafl.

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 21/07/2007 06:09

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system I had come up with for getting perfect comparison photographs


How did you do it?

Obviously you didn't take 39 separate photos with 13 different lenses in your player, the pictures are all of the same Pink Floyd track at the same time point and it is not paused.

??

tanstaafl.
Posted by: Geoff

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 21/07/2007 10:14

The number of plays sometimes differs between 9 and 13.
Posted by: Shonky

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 22/07/2007 08:12

Factory red is a very good match for my E36 dash. As close as you'll get I think.

However as others have said, during the day it's not real easy to see and impossible to see anything if there is direct sunlight on it.

I find it perfectly usable though and have used it that way for nearly 3 years
Posted by: FireFox31

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 22/07/2007 18:11

Even the clear lens + red gel can be tough to see. I have a non-reflective (slightly textured) lens with my orange gel. When the light hits it, the entire screen is washed out. Maybe the truly clear lens will be the best.

But first, you have to find someone to give you a red from their gel set.
Posted by: Shonky

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 22/07/2007 22:39

Dug up the post I made with some pics when I installed it.
http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=install&Number=255487
Posted by: tfabris

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 23/07/2007 16:17

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Obviously you didn't take 39 separate photos with 13 different lenses in your player, the pictures are all of the same Pink Floyd track at the same time point and it is not paused.

Actually, it was paused. I don't know why the pause icon isn't showing up. Perhaps it's because that version of the software wouldn't show the pause icon if the player boots up in paused mode.

Yes, I took 39 separate photos with 13 different lenses installed. I wanted it to be realistic.

I made a "rig" out of a hunk of old packing styrofoam, the kind that TVs and computers ship in. I cut notches in all the right places so that the player and the Canon camera would snick into place and be at the right distance and be in exactly the same position each time. There was also a certain amount of hot glue involved in the assembly of the rig, IIRC.

I also had a large cardboard box surrounding the rig with its top and one side loose, so that I could fold it over as a sun shade, and unfold it to allow direct sun. That's how I got the ambient sun shots versus the direct sun shots.

The discrepancy in the number of plays is because of the two separate working sessions, one for the factory lenses and one for the darkstorm lenses. I'm actually disappointed because the angle of the sun was different on the Darkstorm ones, because that session was months later. So my "realistic" thing was close but not perfectly accurate.
Posted by: tanstaafl.

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 24/07/2007 02:45

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The discrepancy in the number of plays is because of the two separate working sessions,


So for the second session, you loaded up the same track, played and then paused it at the exact same second to take the pictures?

Gawd... and people accuse me of being anal!

tanstaafl.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 24/07/2007 15:31

I just hit the "next track" button while it was paused, thus leaving it sitting at time index 0:00. It's not like I had to carefully press the pause button at the exact correct moment or anything.

It wasn't being anal, it was just trying to fulfill the purpose of that comparison page. I wanted every photo to have the same screen on the player so that an accurate comparison could be made. I did the best I could do without getting truly anal about it.

If I'd been really anal, I could have hacked the dynamic data partition to show the correct number of plays, or I could have made the player display a hand-created graphic that looked exactly like I wanted it to look. Instead, I just did the simple and easy thing: Call up the Pink Floyd playlist, press Pause, and advance to Great Gig in the Sky. Then start swapping lenses and taking photos.
Posted by: FireFox31

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 25/07/2007 00:18

But during the photo shoots, as time progressed, as it often does, the position of the sun would have changed. Thus the ambient/direct sunlit photographs are not all created equal. Now I can't make an accurate comparison to help me decide which Darkstorm lenses to buy! Kidding, of course.

I had a similar, but much less painstaking experience while creating the lit button gallery for Greenlights. The "Daylight" photos required the empeg atop a stack of cardboard boxes of various heights, with the camera on my Pelican case (on edge) on a chair, putting them at the same height. The empeg sat on white paper with paper propped up behind it to provide a neutral background. I'd view each photo on the camera, zooming in to the max and comparing the top of the fascia against the camera screen to ensure a level shot. And I'd have to wait for the frequent thin clouds to pass to ensure equal sunlight. It took me so long that, yes, the angle of the sunlight changed quite a bit during the shoot.

And for the "Lit" photos, I would pause the track at a point where the Tripping Prisoner visual (note, 1.03 Info>Line) was showing a nearly equal amount of the four shades of grey. And each track chosen contains some reference to the button/lens color being shown.

Whatever, if you're going to do it, then do it right. That motto is why everything takes me so darn long.
Posted by: meast

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 06/08/2007 23:47

Awesome thread. I really admire your dedication, Tony.

Can anyone point me in the direction of a factory red lens or a Darkstorm clear/rainbow lens set (with or without gels)? Will Filener cut a lens for the right price if provided with materials, perhaps?

Any help much appreciated... My beloved Empeg is pretty much useless with this red lens.

Thanks!
Posted by: canuckInOR

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 07/08/2007 16:11

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Any help much appreciated... My beloved Empeg is pretty much useless with this red lens.

Down, Down, Down.

Posted by: meast

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 17/08/2007 20:37

Huh?
Posted by: mlord

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 17/08/2007 23:59

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Huh?


"Shuffle All" (well, technically it's only "Play All", unless Shuffle is also on).

Posted by: meast

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 18/08/2007 02:12

Ah. Har har...

That's what I've been doing. Sucks.

I wanna red lens!!! *stamps feet*
Posted by: schofiel

Re: WTB: Original Red or Clear Lens - 19/08/2007 18:46

PM me.