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I believe that the software was actually acquired by MS within the last few months. Yup, Giant Antispyware. I've heard good things about it, especially since it does active checking for spyware.

I don't know. I suppose it's a step that's somewhat forward, but it's mostly sideways. Now you've just created a new set of security holes to find, really. It's sort of like going tothe doctor and telling him that "it hurts when I do this" and he responds with "don't do that". Sure, it's an effective solution, but it's far from optimal; it just avoids the problem instead of fixes it; it just remedies the symptoms, not the disease. (Would you like me to find another way to put it?)

Of course, the problem is that MS's security holes result from the lack of (or poor) design put into Windows, et al., not just bugs, which makes fixing them remarkably harder.

On the other hand, you're right. MS is to be commended, if only slightly, for attempting to do something to solve the problem. At the same time, if it was your car, and the problem was that people were taking it for joyrides, the manufacturer releasing a solution that tried to determine who was an appropriate driver or not by pattern recognition wouldn't be met nearly as well as if he provided you a lock.

DiGNAN gets the pebble this time.

Well, there's no good solution to undereducated and/or stupid users. But that's not the real problem. The problem is that people can simply view a web page, something that's almost totally passive, and unknowingly get huge amounts of software installed on their computer. (It can even happen without browsing; there are enough out there that directly attack the OS.) That's something that's a technical fault, not an education one. I suppose we could educate users to not use IE at all or Windows at all, but that just falls back to "then don't do that".

Hopefully, with the measurable rise in FIrefox usage, Microsoft has gotten some talented people working on IE bug fixes and such. No idea how long it would take to get another release out the door, but I'd bet we see IE 7.0 before we see Windows Longhorn.

MS really [censored] the world on the spyware thing. We thought viruses were bad, well- spyware plays on the weakest link in the chain.. the unknowing click-happy user.

Most of the spyware is there because of ActiveX which brings the offending program as close as one click from being installed (WITH control-provided embedded text! thanks MS!). Throw in infinite javascript loops on a web page, and you've got yourself a trapped Windows user who without knowing the implications might just click Ok to get rid of it.

and they want to charge money for spyware removal software?

Things are changing with SP2 but it's years late and half-assed like everything else they do.

MS is the devil!

(supports a large Windows network, can't you tell)

Yeah, but, as I said, it's not all IE holes. I think XP SP2 closed a lot of the holes in the base OS, but there are bound to still be some there. And the state before SP2 was horrendous. I myself accidentally connected directly to the internet with XP SP1 via an analog modem and acquired a huge number of malwares within an hour without once using IE. That just smacks of total disregard of security in the initial design.

I downloaded this program this evening. I ran it on the "full" but not "deep" scan.

Amongst finding several reasonable "adware" programmes installed with shareware it found the following false positives which I double checked myself:

1) "webHancer (Spyware) Severe". This was "sporder.dll" which seems to be part of Winsock2 and innocous. It recommended to remove the file.

2) "IPScan (Trojan Downloader) Severe". This was "ServUDaemon.exe", part of a legit install of FTP Serv-U. It recommended to remove the file.

3) "Little Witch FTP Server (Trojan FTP) High". This was an old copy of "explorer.exe" that I copied into the root of my c: drive for some reason. It recommended to remove the file.

4) Plus it picket up TightVNC, WinPcap and some other stuff but recommended to ignore.

Spybot and AdAware have never produced such false positives on any system I've tried.

Gareth

exactly, this is *years* after the Trustworthy Computing Initiative started.. makes you wonder what they define as trustworthy.

Moreso I think SP2 is kind of like recompiling with Electric Fence or something. from what I understand, they put in stack guarding type code to prevent buffer overruns. that's why it's a huge install (it's every file in the OS nearly, recompiled) and it runs slightly slower.

proper auditing of their product years ago could have saved the world a lot of hassle. So, now they're building walls (treating the symptom) around the real problem, all the while poking at the media and dropping quotes about the hundreds of millions being spent in the interest of security, for their customers..

Spybot is the best anyways, and it's free. it's just a very very tough beast to automate with automation tools..

MS has no where to go but down at this point

That's what I was afraid of. I saw a screenshot of the program in action where it had (mis)identified Messenger Plus! as a spyware threat.