Rumors about the Karma

Posted by: mwest

Rumors about the Karma - 14/08/2004 15:35

I posted on my blog the other day about my new Karma. An old acquaintence commented.
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The problem I have with it involves the compression techniques and how it screws with the files before actually putting them on the player.

I can't stand propriety in a product.




I can think of no basis for his statement or even a fact that could be misunderstood that would lead to this conclusion... Comments?
Posted by: SE_Sport_Driver

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 14/08/2004 15:38

Maybe he thought you said "Minidisk" or "ATRAC". lol
Posted by: mwest

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 14/08/2004 15:41

Although he doesn't say it, I'm pretty sure that he's an Ipod fan... I thought that's sort of like a sony fan complaining about something being proprietary.
Posted by: pgrzelak

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 14/08/2004 16:30

The only thing I can think of is that it uses RMM software to upload instead of the Karma being seen as a Windows drive. The files themselves are all standard formats.
Posted by: SE_Sport_Driver

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 14/08/2004 18:13

He may also misunderstand the meaning of proprietary. Maybe he thinks the files are being "molested" on their way to the player by having normalization or something?

Good point on the iPod using AAC.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 14/08/2004 19:04

I can see a few possible reasons he'd say that, and all of them involve misunderstanding the Karma...

1. He thinks it's an iPod which plays the proprietary AAC format. But even that would be a misunderstanding since the iPod also plays non-proprietary MP3s.

2. He is complaining about data compression in general, and doesn't totally understand it. If so, he's missing the point of all portable MP3 players. If that's what he's complaining about, then he's probably an audiophile who's very adamant about playing non-lossy music. If that's the case, point out that the Karma will also play FLAC if desired (a non-lossy format). It just takes up about five times more disk space, spins up the hard disk more, and uses up the battery faster.

3. He somehow thinks that the Rio Music Manager software modifies the files, which it doesn't. It leaves the files intact and is merely a front-end to player's internal database. If that's the case, explain to him that the files aren't "messed with", they're just organized into the player's internal database. Explain that the player is lightning-quick with all of its searches and lists, it plays gapless, it caches aggressively and can keep the hard disk spun down, and it can crossfade. The only way to do this efficiently is if it handles its songs in its own database format and doesn't let you put the files on the player's hard disk willy-nilly.

You could also point him over here so he can ask technical questions and get technical answers.
Posted by: daPyr0x

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 14/08/2004 20:45

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The only way to do this efficiently is if it handles its songs in its own database format and doesn't let you put the files on the player's hard disk willy-nilly.

Seeing as the player can build the database on it's own (I assumed that was what it does when it asks to hit the riostick after transfer...but I'm guessing not); wouldn't it be possible to allow you to put the files on the Karma 'willy-nilly' and it builds the database itself? Granted, it would eat more battery power...but most people who'd be transferring files would (one would hope) have it plugged in as well...
Posted by: drakino

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 15/08/2004 03:08

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Seeing as the player can build the database on it's own; wouldn't it be possible to allow you to put the files on the Karma 'willy-nilly' and it builds the database itself?

Yes. The newly released Carbon does this, and based on posts over on "that other board" by Rio employees, this is likely to make it to the Karma at a future date.

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proprietary AAC format

Standard AAC format you mean, right?
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 15/08/2004 04:28

Maybe they mean Apple's proprietary encryption of AAC files.
Posted by: peter

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 15/08/2004 09:27

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I can think of no basis for his statement or even a fact that could be misunderstood that would lead to this conclusion... Comments?

All Sony "MP3" players, even hard-disk ones, work in the way which your friend disparages: the PC software transcodes to ATRAC. He's right that such players suck; he's just wrong about all MP3 players working that way.

Peter
Posted by: JBjorgen

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 16/08/2004 13:00

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Maybe they mean Apple's proprietary encryption of AAC files.


The DRM doesn't encrypt them does it? At least it doesn't seem like it when I use hymn to remove the DRM. It appears to be a standard AAC file at that point (with the .m4a extentsion). I could be wrong though.
Posted by: tman

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 16/08/2004 13:53

DRM wouldn't be very useful if it didn't encrypt. Hymn decrypts it so you get the AAC data back.
Posted by: JBjorgen

Re: Rumors about the Karma - 16/08/2004 16:30

es muy rapido...

I just didn't realize it was decrypting that fast. Seems to do its thing in less than a second.