For Idiots Like Me...

Ok, I'm a failed LINUX convertee and a windows only shop. I'm not a programmer, but can build a PC from the ground up & fix every problem my family & office have thrown at me in the past five years. This being said, my question:

Is there someplace I can learn how to compile & install these different kernels (dynamic volume, custom logo etc) in a Windows environment (98x) without programming (I _SUCK_)? I want to play too, but I don't want to build a Linux box, as my last attempts (last fall) left me frustrated after 2 failed packages & nothing to do with the one I did get running, other that to say "Neat, I got this one to work."

Thanks for any help you can provide to this dub.

-Zeke

just say you weren't paying much attention...

Zeke, you just described me exactly too. Although there is a developers board, it only really states facts. It's not a how-to guide which is the problem. I have wanted something like this too.

Someone needs to set up a web page or another section of this BBS that has "articles." More than a FAQ, like a how-to. People could then write these "articles" (for rookies and experienced programmers) about different processes like compiling the kernel for the empeg. Even the most basic information can be good information for many people. In my case, I have good programming experience for windows and I have a good idea of the concept of Linux but have a hard time getting started.

By building such a wealth of information, the empeg can by developed in much more depth which would benefit everyone here. Writing these "articles" wouldn't take very long for the people that know their stuff!

So who's up to setting up a web page, and who's up to writing the first article?


Alex Lear

like you, i am in the same boat. i would like to be able to get telnet & ftp running just to be able to do it, but not sure exactly how.

regarding the custom logos and kernels, see the faq section on the bbs. tony has a pretty foolproof description of how to do it. if it is packaged properly (like rjlov's volume adjustement kernel), all you have to do is download it and run a dos command prompt command (actually a program, but it only requires one line of input from you).

12 gig, green...

Don't I feel sheepish...I can't believe I missed that one after poking around the bbs for seven or so hours. I'm going to give that stuff a try.

-Zeke (proving my tag line true)

just say you weren't paying much attention...

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like you, i am in the same boat. i would like to be able to get telnet & ftp running just to be able to do it, but not sure exactly how.

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Well - an article/how-to WOULD be added for this in the faq section, if only I knew *how* to do this.. I've posted numerous messages begging for help on this, but no one's taken the bait yet; I've been able to get it running, but the way that I'm doing it is definately not the right way, so it doesn't warrent me writing about it..

Does anyone care to write a how-to for enabling ftp/telnet??
-mark

...proud to have owned one of the first Mark I units

Well, I've managed to put in Rjlov's volume adjust kernel (thank you jstrain for pointing up the FAQ), which seems to be working _very_ well on Roger Waters 'Pros and Cons of Hitchiking' (a dynamic album if ever there was one). I'll know better tomorrow on the way in as there's more noise in my car & I know how impossible it is to listen to at one volume. Even put in my own logo. Kudos to Tony's _excellent_ instructions & KoS's conversion program.

I too would love to see a Ftp/telnet how-to. Even a few links to general Linux sites that may shed light.

It was mentioned that there's a performance hit using the developer version of the kernel, my question is, how much of a perf. hit?

-Zeke


just say you weren't paying much attention...

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It was mentioned that there's a performance hit using the developer version of the kernel, my question is, how much of a perf. hit?

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Not much.. The bootup takes a few seconds longer (not really noticible..)The disk caching doesn't have as much memory to deal with though - so the hard drives stay spun-up longer then w/ the consumer release...
-mark

...proud to have owned one of the first Mark I units

If I understand the question correctly; I don't believe you can compile a linux kernel under Windows.

That said; in order to do it on an x86 box, you need a cross-compiler to compile it for the ARM architecture. Would gcc (djgpp?) cross-compile from windows x86 to linux on ARM? I haven't heard/seen of such a thing, but that is not to say that it doesn't exist. The cross-compiling would seem straight forward, but ... linking? I suppose it's possible, I've just not seen the tools to do it. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong here.

well, TECHNICALLY, you could use a linux emulator under windows, then setup the crosscompilers there:)
-mark

...proud to have owned one of the first Mark I units

Is there a linux emulator for windows?

There's an operating system emulator that works under Windows NT (unfortunately, I can't remember the name of it... anyone?) it allows you to boot any operating system under nt, including beos/another w nt/w98/w95/linux/etc...

-mark

...proud to have owned one of the first Mark I units

...just remembered the program.. it's vmware..
http://www.vmware.com/

-mark

...proud to have owned one of the first Mark I units

Doh!

I had forgotten all about vmware. Of course, this makes the whole thing possible.

FS: Grey Matter Memory (Randomly Fails Checksum)

Edited by xavyer on 28/8/00 04:51 AM.

That sounds like a 12-pack of Dew project. Maybe later this week. I did try a linux package that booted out of windows & didn't require a dual boot setup. I also remember it didn't work on my machine. I'll try the vmware though. I'm going to put the developer kernel tonight to try and clear up some genre & IP errors. The voladj kernel is _spectacular_. I had maybe 2 chirps (and I'm not sure these weren't from the encodes) in my 2 hours in the car today. Pros and Cons of Hitchiking was great. You could hear all the dialog and not be blown out of the car when the guitar came in.

Which leads me to: ambient (road noise) volume adjustment? Anybody feeling ambitious?

-Zeke

just say you weren't paying much attention...

Here is one way to do it. However, I don't think that this is the
best way since you are not modifing the empeg itself. Only an
environment within it. I am trying to modify the empeg's
environment with a minimal set of files. See my other post
for that here

1) Download the Debian root image from
here

2) Transfer it with a version of emplode that transfers non-mp3 files. I
put it into Unattached items.

3) Figure out which file it now is. An easy way is:
Export the database
Tools->Export Database to CSV
Edit that file and search for debian-image_990822.tar
2474,"tune","9651112","debian-image_990822.tar","Unknown","","","","","","","","","","","",1,""
Start a calculator and multiply that result by 16 and then
convert it into hex. The windows calculator can with View->Scientific
9aa0

4) Extract that into a temporary directory
rwm
mkdir /drive0/tmp
cd /drive0/tmp
tar -xvzpf /drive0/fids/9aa0

5) Start the Debian environment
/drive0/tmp/usr/sbin/chroot /drive0/tmp

6) Optional: start up the loop-back interface
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up

7) Make sure that dns can work. Correct the last line of /etc/resolv.conf
so that it points to a valid dns server.
vi /etc/resolv.conf
Test is out with
ping www.empeg.com

8) Make sure that ftp will allow connections. Comment out the last line
of hosts.deny to remove the PARANOID.
vi /etc/hosts.deny

9) Start/Restart the inet daemon. Normally, one would ps -ef | grep inetd
and kill -HUP the inetd's pid. However, ps traps now because there
is no /proc filesystem! Fortunately, inetd is not running and you can
just start it up.
inetd

10) Test it out!

11) To connect locally (with empeg's environment. Make sure to follow setp 6):
ftp 127.0.0.1

12) To connect within your LAN:
ftp 192.168.1.105

Now, for security reasons, you cannot login as root via ftp. Also, with your
current setup, every other id is disabled (the :*: after every name).
So, remove a * after an id that you want to use. This will make the password
empty. You can then change it by:
su
passwd

Sigh. However, I am having a problem with the groups (I think).
su bin
empeg:/$ su nobody
Password:
su: cannot set groups: Operation not permitted

I think this is why nobody cannot log in.

The problem that I'm running into is accessing the drive partitions after chrooting.. I know I can change the mounting points to be above the debian image, and then have symbolic pointers back to /drive0 and /drive1, but there's got to be a better way...
-mark

...proud to have owned one of the first Mark I units

Can you give a concrete example? I tried symbolic linking within the debian directories to /drive0 but once you type chroot, you loose everything above the current root.

A better solution would be to modify empeg's environment instead of using an artificial one via chroot.

The voladj kernel is _spectacular_. I had maybe 2 chirps (and I'm not sure these weren't from the encodes) in my 2 hours in the car today.

Those had to be from the encodes. The voladj kernel doesn't cause that kind of artifact.

Pros and Cons of Hitchiking was great. You could hear all the dialog and not be blown out of the car when the guitar came in.

Yep, that's exactly what it's all about.

Which leads me to: ambient (road noise) volume adjustment? Anybody feeling ambitious?

That's definitely something that would be cool, and Richard has expressed an interest in experimenting with the idea.

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Tony Fabris