Mozilla

Hi Guys,

I've got the charcoalgrey v3 files on my empeg and they work just fine with IE.
but it wont work in either mozilla or opera.
both get the front page fine, but the playlist page either never loads (mozilla) or loads garbage ( opera )

any ideas ?

From CharcoalGray99's own page:

Requirements:
empeg Software: 2.0b13
Hijack: v287+
Browser: IE6, or IE5.5 + XML Core Services 4.0, or Mozilla 1.0 (limited support)

In other words, IE works, Netscape/Opera don't, Mozilla will only partly work.

Netscape/Opera don't

Actually, Netscape 7 and above should work, and possibly certain versions of 6 since they are based off Mozilla.

Yeah, but Mozilla only partially works, and I've personally found that the incompatibilities make it not really useful at all.

Mozilla (latest beta) works much better than before -- I can actually see the "remote" and press some (but not all..) buttons on it successfully.

But.. for some odd reason non-passive FTP doesn't work in the newest Mozillas.. I may actually have to implement the latest RFC in kftpd .. ugh.

Or we could light a fire under someone to fix Mozilla. I hate passive.

I just poked through the Mozilla bugzilla database, and there have been many attempts already to get "active FTP" or ("FTP PORT command") support. They keep getting shot down for lack of a valid example of where it is necessary.

The newer FTP RFCs use passive only, for better client-side security. Ugh.

Cheers

so they're bastards. i suppose next they'll kill kenny. bastards.

It looks to me like they've agreed to implement it, but it's not going to happen ultra-soon. Check out bug 465.

Been there, read that.. didn't interpret it that way.

More like the guy in charge suggested that he might not require his dead body to be jumped over before it got implemented, but he's not exactly working on it either.

Cheers

Comment #39 there is mine... I was trying to help de-bunk the FUD about active FTP. It's been two months since I posted that and nobody's said anything. There doesn't seem to be very much demand for active FTP.

Looks to be the 2nd oldest bug that's still open. It was opened over 4.5 years ago!

I didn't realize hijack only supported passive... I've never tried to FTP to it from Mozilla. And I doubt that's a strong enough reason to get any of the Moz developers to spend time working on it.

Hijack only supports "active", not "passive" FTP -- but I think that's what you meant to say.

This is a known Hijack deficiency, since "passive" is no longer optional in all current FTP RFCs. It's just a lot harder to implement, and takes up more memory to do so, which is why Hijack doesn't have it right now.

Cheers

Comment 31 from Doug T, who was the initial naysayer:

When 92928 lands, I will make this work with the condition that it will be disabled via a pref, and when enabled there is some dialog that asserts the associated risk.

So, yeah, he's not working on it now, but has made some sort of commitment to do it in the future.

92928 is an RFE for the Mozilla networking libs to include the facility to listen on ports, so it would seem to be a legitimate requirement for passive FTP.

FTP is nice and all but I can get by with the command line. If we could get the pretty playlists working that'd be even better IMO. I don't know much about xml/xslt but is the playlist problem because of mozilla or the stylesheet?

later,
ajay

Probably the stylesheet. As I understand it, it only works with Microsoft products, not with Mozilla or Konqueror. Has anyone tried it with some other independent browser?

Cheers

It doesn't work w/ Opera, either. I imagine it should be fixable, but I don't know enough to fix it. Plus, it's hard to figure out how it's supposed to work w/o IE.

In the interest of the original comment "the playlist page never loads", I just installed Mozilla 1.3a. He's right, the page won't even load. In older versions it would look a little screwy, and the JavaScript never worked.

I've noticed things starting to look better as Mozilla matured, but this is a major step back. Any ideas on why it won't even load?

Tom

Is HiJack sending the exact correct MIME type, Mozilla is always fussy about things like that and I seem to remember it got more particular in recent versions.

From the Mozilla FAQ:

In reply to:

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Why isn't my stylesheet applied?
Make sure the mime type for both source and stylesheet are set to a XML mimetype, namely text/xml or application/xml. The XSLT namespace is http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform. Mime type handling in Mozilla is strict, in contrast to IE. Write some cgi, and you'll love it.

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Unless Hijack has changed... I believe it is correct.

Tom