Repost of Shuffle Wish
Posted by: doug316
Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 15:22
With the 3000 songs that I have on my Empeg, I wish that I could shuffle through the whole list so that I hear those few songs that never seem to come up. I'm always going to want to switch playlists temporarily, for example when a friend is in the car and he wants to hear a new CD or something. Then the "all" playlist is reshuffled and I'm back to hearing many of the same songs again.
I think it would be cool to have a "shuffle now" option that would shuffle the current playlist and save that ordering. This would operate for when the current shuffle feature is off (which should really be called auto-shuffle since it automatically shuffles a playlist whenever one is selected).
If new songs are added to a playlist that has been manually shuffled, the new songs should be randomly placed after the current song position so that they will be heard too.
Posted by: tfabris
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 15:27
Interesting notion.
There's something that Hugo said a while back related to this. He said that the database has been keeping track of which songs you've heard, how recently, etc. The software doesn't do anything with this data yet, but he hinted that it would. For example, having the Empeg play you just the songs you haven't heard for a while.
Perhaps this is the "new shuffle mode" that's coming up in 1.1? If that were the case, would that take care of your problem without needing to store/retrieve the shuffled list?
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Tony Fabris
Posted by: altman
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 15:38
Yes, the time-related shuffle does this sort of thing, but it's only an "influence" on the order of the tracks with respect to time. If it were just ordered by time it'd be a sort and end up being very boring as the order *would* be the same all the time :)
The good thing about it is that it works on the statistical info collected by the empeg in any play mode, so if you just listened to all your beatles tracks straight through then picked shuffle play of the entire unit, you'd be fairly unlikely to hear a beatles track until the very end of the suffled playlist.
1.1 also has bookmarks, which are great for keeping track of where you are in a big random playlist. Before you demo to your friend, just save the current playlist/position in a bookmark. After the demo, you just restore the bookmark and you're where you left off.
Oh, and the playlist/position are preserved over a sync, too. Peter (and everyone else!) have been *very* busy recently :)
Hugo
Posted by: dionysus
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 15:56
...does it end world hunger? :-p
-m
...proud to have owned one of the first Mark I units
Posted by: tfabris
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 16:21
No kidding. That's fantastic, Hugo!
It's neat how, right around the same time Doug316 asks for a bookmarkable shuffle, you're getting ready to release that very feature. You've done that to us more than once now, as I recall. Too cool.
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Tony Fabris
Posted by: rob
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 16:22
Tony, you're totally spoiling my fun! At this rate I won't have anything to announce in 1.1 that you haven't already worked out!
Rob
Posted by: tfabris
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 16:25
Tony, you're totally spoiling my fun! At this rate I won't have anything to announce in 1.1 that you haven't already worked out!Sorry!
But for the record, Hugo
did hint at it a long time ago. And you and Hugo could have just kept mum about it until the release. I had no idea- I was just guessing. Umm... Lucky guess?
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Tony Fabris
Posted by: rob
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 16:35
Hugo has a big mouth
Posted by: altman
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 21/08/2000 16:42
Don't give me the credit, I didn't do the work :)
The bookmarks aren't for shuffle (or anything specific) it will just save your current position and the current playlist for later retrieval. It just so happens that it works very well for remembering where you were in a long shuffled playlist when you have to give a demo!
Hugo
Posted by: n6mod
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 22/08/2000 18:14
Hang on...
I thought the disks were mounted read only except during sync....are you collecting stats in flash?
-Zandr
Mk.I #150
Mk.II #39
Posted by: andy
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 22/08/2000 23:40
I thought the disks were mounted read only
That's true for the partitions where the music is stored. They have an area on the disk that does not have a file system on it which they use for persisting some stuff. No doubt they have all sorts of fiendish integrity schemes to make sure they can recover from a power lose during a write.
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Unit serial number 47 (was 330 in the queue)...
Posted by: altman
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 23/08/2000 02:06
Correct - hda3 is our persist partition which holds things like EQ, playlists, and dynamic data relating to songs (marks, listen counts, etc - and it's been collecting all this info since about beta10 I think...)
Hugo
Posted by: phaigh
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 23/08/2000 13:38
Ouch! That could be a *lot* of data.
What else have you been storing?
Paul.
Paul Haigh, 6GB, Blue
Reg: 4120 - Serial 00254
Posted by: altman
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 23/08/2000 16:35
It's not a huge amount, just things like last played time, played count, etc. I think it's less than 32 bytes per track...
Of course, we're also storing all your conversations using a hidden microphone. It's all explained by USB seeming slow and emplode sending all this back to us (muhahahahaha).
Not really, but I'm sure you realise that ;)
Hugo
Posted by: rob
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 23/08/2000 17:18
> Not really, but I'm sure you realise that ;)
There are Americans present, you were correct to clarify that
*duck*
Rob
Posted by: mcomb
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 23/08/2000 17:44
Thats it, I am sueing for defemation of character unless my empeg ships out tomorrow ;-)
-Cranky American
Posted by: jstrain
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 23/08/2000 18:13
we got the bombs...
12 gig, green...
Posted by: GeorgeLSJr
Re: Repost of Shuffle Wish - 23/08/2000 19:05
Hey... I resemble that statement!
p.s.
Don't send the bombs until all the Empegs are safe!
p.p.s.
Just a joke... you know how those Europeans can't take a joke and we don't want to start in international incident here.
George