Shuffling DELETES tracks...

Well, it doesn't really delete them, let me elaborate.
I am using beta 13 and The latest Hijack.
If I hit down down down I get a running total of 7769 tracks,
which is the EXACT number of tracks I have uploaded to the player.
No song appears in more than one playlist.

Then If I switch to the "Random" or "least recenlty played" shuffle mode (those are the only 2 I tested)
then there are only 7753 songs in the total running playlist.
If I switch Shuffle off, I'm back to 7769 tracks......

What gives ?

On my player, I have all of my albums duplicated in an A-Z tree of playlists. When I hit shuffle, it shows (more or less correctly) 5274 tunes. With shuffle off, it shows 10734 tunes, or roughly double. Mmm.. wonder how it counts things?

I suspect the total includes sub-playlists (albums) or something.

Dcosta, please click on this FAQ entry, "Why is the song count different when I shuffle?".

Yeah, but No song appears in more than one playlist. on my player.
Well, maybe it does, and it was not on purpose and I am not aware of it...
I will scour my empeg soon for this discrepancy....

If you're using jemplode, no need to scour. You can search for refs=(some number)

Or, indeed, refs!=1.

What is refs ?
e.g. refs=(some number)

And what is refs!
e.g. refs!=1.

Refs is the tag which indicates how many times a tune is contained in playlists (it's short for "references").

= means "is equal to"
!= means "is not equal to"

See the jEmplode Advanced Search FAQ: http://www.jempeg.org/tagNames.html

jemplode or emplode. Sheesh, I'm starting to get paranoid that all the hard work I put into it is for naught .

Yeah, but No song appears in more than one playlist. on my player. Well, maybe it does, and it was not on purpose and I am not aware of it...

You are the second person to report something like this. Someone else was also saying that their song count was changing in unexpected ways, and that the shuffle de-dupe feature could not possibly be accounting for it because they didn't have copies in their playlists. I don't remember the resolution to this, it could have been a PEBKAC or it could be something else. Don't know. Let us know how it comes out.

it could have been a PEBKAC

I suspect so, I will check refs!=1 in jemplode search

Also, http://www.netlingo.com specifies PEBKAC as PEBCAK

IIWM, I would use PEBKAC, as you did, since IMHO, PEBKAC is better.

I had a feeling I was experiencing something similar to this. What I found was three albums worth of tracks that had been lost from the playlists. I don't have any extra playlists apart from those created when loading files. i.e. all my refs values should be 1. These showed up as refs == 0. This is probably due to my stuffing around with the fids directories.

Anyway I thought there was supposed to be some sort of Unattached Items playlist where files like this would end up. However I can't seem to find it. It only seems to appear in the Hijack playlist. Is the only way to get to these files by doing an advanced search for refs=0 and the copy and pasting into a new playlist... or simply deleting them and reloading them thus recreating the playlists?

Anyway I thought there was supposed to be some sort of Unattached Items playlist where files like this would end up.

In version 1.0 of the software, there was.

In version 2.0, the concept of unattached items was thrown out in favor of the soup.

My understanding is that "Unattached Items" is still present on the player, it's just Emplode which is now showing the data differently.

I suppose somebody could confirm this easily enough, by unlinking a tune from all playlists, and then surfing to the player with Hijack and looking in the "Unattached Items" playlist..

Cheers

My understanding was that emplode creates the Unattached Items playlists if it's not there, in order to keep backwards compatibility, as it's handled as a special case (static FID, I believe) by older software, but doesn't actually attach otherwise unattached FIDs to it.

I meant from the point of view of Emplode and the default software, there is no Unattached Items playlist any more. It's actually still there, it's just hidden since 2.0. It still shows in Jemplode (and Hijack like you said).

But emplode never puts anything in it, so using Hijack wouldn't show anything in there.

I also have approximately half the number of tracks in shuffled mode. I suspect that during the shuffle, duplicate fids get discarded, and when unshuffling the player reloads the playlist and points back to the playing track:

I suspect that during the shuffle, duplicate fids get discarded,

Yes. This is the intended behavior.

However, for a slightly different (and very useful) slant on this, look here.

tanstaafl.