#308932 - 08/04/2008 11:43
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: wfaulk]
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Shonky
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Registered: 12/01/2002
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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Remember the time it takes will be function of your *upstream* ISP speed so if you're on something like a 256/64kbps ADSL thats only ~6kB/sec. i.e. even a 100kB JPG will take ~20 seconds.
Christian
#40104192 120Gb (finally in my M3)
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#308946 - 08/04/2008 17:50
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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tfabris
carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 27259
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I know you've successfully attached pictures to messages on this BBS before, so I know it's not likely to be anything you're doing wrong.
Quick checks: The filename, or folder name, of the picture you're attaching isn't somehow unusual, or unusually long, or contains odd characters, does it? The file type is ordinary JPG, right? The file size isn't unusually large, is it?
Here, I'll try attaching a little JPG really quick and see if it works for me...
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Description: Did this JPG upload work?
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#308947 - 08/04/2008 17:52
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tfabris]
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tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 27259
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Okay, that worked.
I saw the little swirly thing just like you described, only mine disappeared quickly as soon as the upload was done.
I can imagine a few situations in which a file upload wouldn't work and the little swirly thing would just keep swirling. They usually involve problems with the browser or the back end server. I'd say, reboot and try again.
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#308955 - 08/04/2008 18:56
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tfabris]
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tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 3254
Loc: Mountain View, California
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Quick checks: The filename, or folder name, of the picture you're attaching isn't somehow unusual, or unusually long, or contains odd characters, does it? The file type is ordinary JPG, right? The file size isn't unusually large, is it?
Pretty much all of the above...  However, I suspected that some of those things might have been causing problems, so I re-named the file (to "empeg.jpg"), re-scaled it to 640x480, bringing file size down from 264KB to 79KB, checked that it was a valid *.jpg by opening it with an editor, and watched the little swirly thing for about 10 minutes before deciding it wasn't going to work. My connection is DSL, typical download speed about 40 KB/sec, no idea what the upload speed is, but I can usually send an email with a megabyte attachment in under a minute.
When I get home tonight, I'll try it again with a freshly booted computer.
tanstaafl.
"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"
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#308957 - 08/04/2008 19:11
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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sein
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Registered: 07/01/2005
Posts: 681
Loc: London, England, Sector ZZ9pZa
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What is your Browser? What is your OS?
Just curious. Maybe try a different browser if you can.
Hussein[ Mk2a 40Gb :: PCATS Tuner :: Greenlights Buttons :: MLord Dock :: Nokia CK-7W :: Mazda 3 ]
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#308965 - 08/04/2008 22:13
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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tfabris
carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 27259
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I was Firefox on vista SP1.
I'd think that if the BBS uploader didn't work with Firefox and IE, we'd have found out sooner than today. I don't think it's your choice of browser.
It could be some kind of security setting within the browser, or perhaps a third party firewall or virus checker, preventing uploads somehow.
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#308999 - 10/04/2008 06:45
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 3254
Loc: Mountain View, California
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#309061 - 12/04/2008 06:16
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 3254
Loc: Mountain View, California
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Another test. This time I let the swirly thing swirl for 45 minutes.
edit: It worked. WTF?
My usual upload speed is somewhere in the vicinity of, oh, about one megabyte per minute, maybe faster than that. That's about how long it takes me to send an email with a one megabyte attachment. So why would uploading to the bbs be more than 150 times slower?
Anyway, attached is my very professional empeg installation. The strap is a piece of mountain bike innertube, and a cassette adapter feeds the audio into the OEM stereo system. Note that I went first class with the power adapter -- not only does it plug tightly into the cigarette lighter, but it has its own on-off switch!
Little Blue Thing, I know you're proud of your remote display adapter in your Jaguar, and I hope you don't become too despondent about the pitiful inadequacies of your own installation after seeing what a true professional can do. Maybe with a few more years experience you may be able to approach (but certainly not surpass) the magnificence of my efforts.
Seriously, though -- this is a $700 temporary car, and I was pleased to be able to somehow get my empeg in it at all, and for a total installation cost (including the piece of innertube!) of about $20. (I already had the cassette adapter on hand.)
tanstaafl.
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Description:
Edited by tanstaafl. (12/04/2008 06:28)
"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"
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#309070 - 13/04/2008 06:28
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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altman
carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3076
Loc: Cambridge, UK
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Noticed how cassette adaptors used to be about $10 as cars started to get CD players as standard, then since mp3 players got popular (along with loads of overpriced accessories), they're now $20?
Now that's a high margin business...
Hugo
(who cycles past a SHO in Sunnyvale on the way to work... not a wagon though)
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#309085 - 14/04/2008 06:08
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tanstaafl.]
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tfabris
carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 27259
Loc: Seattle, WA
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It seems odd that uploading through email works OK, but something is making the computer unhappy when it tries to upload to the bbs.
Through email, do you mean, from a local email client such as Outlook or Thunderbird, or do you mean from a web-based email service such as Yahoo or Gmail?
Local email clients use a totally different protocol to send the mail than uploading a file to a web site uses. Whereas, if you used a web-based email service, then when you send a file through email, you'd have to upload it to the web-based-mail service first, and it *would* be exactly like uploading a photo to the BBS, and I would expect it to behave the same way.
It would be an interesting test to try something like that: find some kind of a site that also accepts file uploads through a web form like this BBS does, and see if you run into the same problem. Then we could be sure the problem was with all web form uploads.
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#309102 - 14/04/2008 19:01
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tfabris]
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tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 3254
Loc: Mountain View, California
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through email, do you mean, from a local email client such as Outlook or Thunderbird, or do you mean from a web-based email service such as Yahoo or Gmail?
It would be an interesting test to try something like that: find some kind of a site that also accepts file uploads through a web form like this BBS does, and see if you run into the same problem. Then we could be sure the problem was with all web form uploads.
Good idea for a test. I was using a local client via the Vista mail program.
Tonight I'll try sending the picture to myself using GMAIL to send it, and my Vista Mail program to receive it and see what happens.
Well, maybe tomorrow night. I've got people coming to look at the house tonight, and we had six inches of fresh snow this morning and I have to shovel the driveway and the deck before they get there. Let's see... 300 foot driveway by 8 feet wide, six inches deep, that's 1200 cubic feet; plus the parking area which is about 40 x 50 for another 1000 cubic feet; figure specific gravity of .16 for fresh snow, that means it would weigh 62.5 x .16 = 10 pounds per cubic foot. So, that's going to be 10 x 2200 = 22,000 pounds of snow. Ooops, forgot the deck. Add another 1000 pounds for that. Oh, heck, that's only 11.5 tons of snow I have to move, and I sold my snowplow truck a year ago thinking I would be in Mexico by now.
For the folks who do not live in snow country... don't be too concerned by this sisyphean task (it's getting harder and harder to find words that nobody has used before on this bbs! ). I won't actually be shoveling this snow, that is, lifting it with a shovel and throwing it somewhere else. I'll be using a snow scoop and the whole job will take about two to three hours of pretty aerobic work.
Sigh...
tanstaafl.
"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"
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#309112 - 14/04/2008 20:58
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: JBjorgen]
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tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 3254
Loc: Mountain View, California
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I know you probably don't want to put any money into it, but there are kits that will allow you to put it in the dash. Both Scosche and American International make kits.
Yes... but then I have to start thinking about an amplifier, ripping the dash and door panels apart for the wiring, and finding/installing a tuner for the radio, etc. If I were going to do all that work, then I'd want a subwoofer so the carpeting would have to come up for the wiring for that, and of course those $6.00 OEM speakers would have to go... and all of a sudden instead of a $19 installation I'm looking at over $1000.
I think I'll eave everything the way it is, and just put up with all the unbridled jealousy I get from you guys who are envious of my installation.
tanstaafl.
"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"
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#309121 - 15/04/2008 06:55
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tfabris]
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tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 3254
Loc: Mountain View, California
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It would be an interesting test to try something like that: find some kind of a site that also accepts file uploads through a web form like this BBS does, and see if you run into the same problem. Then we could be sure the problem was with all web form uploads.
Uploading the picture to my Windows mail account: 12 seconds.
Uploading the picture to my gmail account: I gave up after 40 minutes.
You're right, Tony. While I haven't done a rigorous mathematical comparison, at first glance there does seem to be a disparity in upload speed between the two methods.
tanstaafl.
"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"
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#309133 - 15/04/2008 15:43
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: JBjorgen]
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tfabris
carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 27259
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Good suggestions from Jonathan and Bitt there, definitely worth trying.
But before you try those, Doug, please answer me this:
Is the troublesome PC with Vista upgraded to Service Pack 1 yet? If not, please do so, then see if you have the same problem. If you still have the same problem, then try the stuff Jonathan and Bitt are suggesting.
(I know it takes longer to upgrade to SP1 than it does to try the things Jonathan and Bitt are suggesting. I'm talking academic curiosity here, I want to know if this was simply an SP1 bug that got fixed.)
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#309153 - 15/04/2008 18:21
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: tfabris]
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tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 3254
Loc: Mountain View, California
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Is the troublesome PC with Vista upgraded to Service Pack 1 yet?
Probably, but I can't say with 100% certainty.
The computer was built last October and was set up with all Microsoft patches and updates that were available at that time. In addition, the auto-update (or whatever Microsoft calls it) feature was turned on so that subesequent updates are applied automatically.
1) How can I tell if SP1 is installed?
2) If not, how do I go about installing it?
Since I was able to attach pictures in the past, what might have changed?
tanstaafl.
"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"
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#309162 - 15/04/2008 23:10
Re: Professional empeg installation
[Re: drakino]
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AndrewT
old hand
Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 818
Loc: Oxford, UK
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I'm not being offered SP1 and neither were two HP PCs I was running updates on earlier today. I wonder whether they are spreading the load on the download servers by not offering it to everyone at once?
Something that I've never noticed the likes of beforehand, perhaps this is relevant...
Things to know before you download Windows Vista SP1Windows Update will recognize PCs with known problematic drivers and postpone downloading Windows Vista SP1 until the PC has updated drivers or other applicable updates. Using Windows Update will help ensure you have the most trouble-free update experience possible. Some Windows Vista users may encounter an issue with a small set of hardware devices that may not function properly after updating a Windows Vista PC to Windows Vista SP1. This is an issue with the way the device drivers were re-installed during the Windows Vista SP1 update process, not with the drivers themselves—these drivers worked on Windows Vista RTM and they work on Windows Vista SP1. This problem is typically corrected by simply uninstalling and reinstalling the driver. We are working with the manufacturers of these devices to get the known problematic drivers and their install programs updated, and also on other solutions we can use to ensure a smooth customer experience when updating to Windows Vista SP1 using Windows Update. For new PCs provisioned with Windows Vista SP1, this is not an issue.
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