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#263914 - 07/09/2005 14:54 Re: Hurricane Katrina Questions [Re: wfaulk]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4153
Loc: Cambridge, England
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lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of...

... neither Orleans, nor Jefferson, nor Plaquemines. Were these worst-hit parishes already under a state of emergency, then?

Peter

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#263915 - 07/09/2005 15:08 Re: Hurricane Katrina Questions [Re: peter]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
That's weird. Didn't notice that the most-affected ones were left out. They were added on the 29th, which is still before the levee broke.
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#263916 - 07/09/2005 16:28 Re: Hurricane Katrina Questions [Re: JBjorgen]
ninti
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
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I'll try to document the trip as best I can if anyone is interested.


I would be. I have another friend of a friend making a trip down there with a 50 foot truck filled with stuff we bought and am awaiting word from them as well.
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#263917 - 07/09/2005 16:54 Re: Hurricane Katrina Questions [Re: ninti]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3730
Check out the latest news. They're one step away from a forced evacuation of New Orleans. I'd suggest that a drive-in-and-help-out mission would be effective for other coastal communities where no such evacation is in effect.

Meanwhile, my wife had a great idea for how we can help out, once things settle down. She teaches communication and presentation skills. That includes resume writing and mock interviews. I can round up undergrads with computers and printers to help out. Hopefully, we can help set up some of the Houston refugees with jobs.

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#263918 - 07/09/2005 17:02 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: loren]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Here's some interesting stuff:

The Guardian says that there is no substantiation of murder and rape in the Superdome, and have a quote from the NO Chief of Police.

The FAA says "We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on".
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#263919 - 07/09/2005 17:27 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: wfaulk]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3538
Loc: Columbus, OH
I wondered about that because of how I heard the story. First it was a woman was raped. Then a woman was raped in the Superdome. Then it was a 7yr. old raped in the Superdome. Then it was a 7yr. old gang-raped in the Superdome.

It seemed to be getting embellished each time. And I was thinking...when you're shoved into a stadium with 20000 odd people and a load of national guard, where do you find somewhere to do that without someone stepping in?
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#263920 - 07/09/2005 18:02 Re: Hurricane Katrina Questions [Re: Mach]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4153
Loc: Cambridge, England
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Nagin issued a mandatory evacuation order on Sunday with a Cat 4 hurricane a day away. Every study that I've seen says it takes at least 72 hours to evacuate the 400,000+ residents of New Orleans.

Unfortunately, 72 hours before landfall was Friday morning, when it was neither Category 4 nor headed for New Orleans. NHC's landfall forecast wandered substantially westwards over time: 72 hours before landfall, Katrina was headed to the Florida panhandle (hit Stop and advance to Frame 12), as a Category 1.

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#263921 - 07/09/2005 18:38 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: JBjorgen]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3730
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And I was thinking...when you're shoved into a stadium with 20000 odd people and a load of national guard, where do you find somewhere to do that without someone stepping in?

While I agree that the urban-legend effect is clearly at work, there was little authority presence in the Superdome and utterly none whatsoever in the Convention Center. It's not implausible that some sort of crime may have occured at the Superdome.

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#263922 - 07/09/2005 20:43 Re: Hurricane Katrina Questions [Re: peter]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 826
Loc: Texas, USA
I understand but once the hurricane re-entered the Gulf on Saturday, it was clear to all concerned that evacuation should begin but nothing was done for the people they knew couldn't leave on their own. At that point, 20,000 people could have evacuated using public buses. Buses should have been staged on the upper deck of the Superdome to evacuate people instead of sitting in flooded lots.

AT 10 AM CDT...1500Z...A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR THE
SOUTHEASTERN COAST OF LOUISIANA EAST OF MORGAN CITY TO THE MOUTH OF
THE PEARL RIVER...INCLUDING METROPOLITAN NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE
PONCHARTRAIN. A HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS
ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 115 MPH...185 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. KATRINA IS A CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON
SCALE. SOME STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS...
AND KATRINA COULD BECOME A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE.

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is not a test. This is the real deal," New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said at a news conference.

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#263923 - 07/09/2005 20:52 Re: Hurricane Katrina Questions [Re: Mach]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I totally agree, especially given that picture of school buses in a flooded parking lot linked above.

But, in all honesty, where were they going to bus these people to? If people hadn't gotten stranded in New Orleans, if the city had gotten flooded and everyone got out safely beforehand, there wouldn't be all these cities and private citizens opening up to them. And if they'd had somewhere to go, many of them probably would have gone there to begin with. But the desperately poor don't have family and friends in far-flung places, nor can they afford to rent a hotel room.
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#263924 - 07/09/2005 21:12 Re: Hurricane Katrina Questions [Re: wfaulk]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 826
Loc: Texas, USA
The Lafayette Cajundome would be the first place that come to mind. Worst case scenario, the buses could have been there after the hurricane blew through for driving people out. Whether they had some place to go or could afford to get there should have been taken into account by city disaster planning.

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#263925 - 08/09/2005 14:08 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: tonyc]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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[Michael Brown] has no prior emergency management experience prior to taking his current post

Well, he held another position inside FEMA for a while, but only for a year or two.

The best part, the part that's absurd to the point of hilarity (if hundreds of thousands of lives hadn't been potentially affected or ended by it, that is) is that his job before FEMA, for eleven years, was as the Commisioner of Judges and Stewards for the International Arabian Horse Association. That's right: he was in charge of horse shows. And almost as good is the fact that he was forced to resign because of lawsuits over disciplinary actions that the IAHA won, but was eventually bankrupted by.

Maybe he worked for the AKC at one point, too, because this sure feels like a dog and pony show.
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#263926 - 09/09/2005 03:49 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: wfaulk]
Phil.
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2481
Sky News I think have it all summed up nicely:



Maybe because he did this? ....



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Edited by Phil. (09/09/2005 03:50)

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#263927 - 09/09/2005 04:15 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: wfaulk]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
It appears that Brown's resume is exaggerated according to Time Magazine. Not only does it suck ass, but he had to lie just to get it to the current state of suckassedness. Fascinating.

Other Katrina-related outrages of the day:

Bush suspends minimum wage requirements so that the rebuilding effort can be done on the cheap (CNN Money)

White folk ponder a New New Orleans without those pesky brown people (Wall Street Journal by way of Raw Story)

And, finally, some comic relief from a particularly zealous Dick Cheney fan.
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#263928 - 09/09/2005 05:00 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: Phil.]
ninti
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
Nice Photoshop, but you don't need to exaggerate things to make him look bad though.

Still, 35% of Americans say the goverment did a good or great job. The disconnect from reality is amazing. a completely parallel universe. My anger has once again mellowed and melted into disgust. I really need to get the hell out of this crazy-ass country, I can't see how there is any hope that people will come to their senses.
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#263929 - 09/09/2005 05:21 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: tonyc]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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Bush suspends minimum wage requirements so that the rebuilding effort can be done on the cheap (CNN Money)

That's pretty unreal. Is there any way this is a good thing? Why not make the rebuilding a huge public works project? Let the people of the city rebuild their city instead of allowing contractors to make a bundle and pay unfair wages. Man. WTF is going on in this country.. the disconnect of the wealthy is just mind blowing.
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#263930 - 09/09/2005 13:14 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: tonyc]
BAKup
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Registered: 11/11/2001
Posts: 552
Loc: Houston, TX
I see those two articles, and raise you thiss.

White House Enacts a Plan to Ease Political Damage

This is the NYT, not the Onion.
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#263931 - 09/09/2005 13:25 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: loren]
matthew_k
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Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
To be fair, he didn't suspend the minimum wage laws, he suspended the prevailing wage laws. The only time prevailing wage laws do anything is when non-union employees work on a federal job, they're paid union rates. I'm not saying this is all right, but I was initially horrified that he would suspend the federal minimum wage.

Matthew

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#263932 - 09/09/2005 14:20 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: matthew_k]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Thank you, that explains it a bit more.
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#263933 - 09/09/2005 15:16 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: Phil.]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31313
Loc: Seattle, WA

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Maybe because he did this? ....

Did what? Played the G chord at the wrong fret?

(Sorry. Guitarists always look for that sort of thing. )
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#263934 - 09/09/2005 15:17 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: matthew_k]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Ah, I didn't appreciate the difference between prevailing and minimum wages. Guess I should have read the article a little closer. Still a very questionable decision.
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#263935 - 09/09/2005 15:36 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: BAKup]
BAKup
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Registered: 11/11/2001
Posts: 552
Loc: Houston, TX
And now this.

FEMA Chief Taken Off Hurricane Relief Efforts

I think the spin is going to be faster than the hurricane itself, and this is just the beginning.
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#263936 - 09/09/2005 17:02 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: BAKup]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3730
But... will he get a medal?

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#263937 - 09/09/2005 18:24 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: DWallach]
BAKup
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Registered: 11/11/2001
Posts: 552
Loc: Houston, TX
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But... will he get a medal?


You've been reading too much Fark
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#263938 - 09/09/2005 19:38 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: tfabris]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
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Sorry. Guitarists always look for that sort of thing.
Hey, I represent that remark!

My first thought was- "what chord does he think he's playing?" Then- "oh, I guess that's not really the point of these photos, is it?"
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#263939 - 09/09/2005 19:41 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: JeffS]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I kept looking for a capo.

Maybe that's why the guy in the background looks concerned and is reaching for Bush's hands:

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#263940 - 09/09/2005 20:28 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: wfaulk]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
...And that guitar was purchased with your tax dollars. Note the presidential seal?
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#263941 - 09/09/2005 20:52 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: pgrzelak]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
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...And that guitar was purchased with your tax dollars. Note the presidential seal?

That would be funny, but actually the instrument was a gift from the performer. Yahoo news link.
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#263942 - 09/09/2005 22:44 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: tfabris]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3162
Loc: Portland, OR
Quote:

Quote:
Maybe because he did this? ....

Did what? Played the G chord at the wrong fret?

I think you're reading too much into that... that was just something he does with his fingers when playing air guitar. Any resemblance to a real chord is coincidental.

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#263943 - 09/09/2005 22:45 Re: Hurricane Katrina [Re: Phil.]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3162
Loc: Portland, OR
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Maybe because he did this? ...

I'll one up you on the silly photo department...



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