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#5583 - 05/05/2001 05:37 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: pca]
jane
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Hm. I seem to be sensing a mocking of non-native-english-speakers on this board... Not the way to sell your product...

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#5584 - 05/05/2001 07:41 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: jane]
Terminator
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I don't think hes mocking you, I think hes trying to tell you that your requests are beyond the scope of what he is willing to do. Im pretty sure what you are looking for would cost a lot more than $100.

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#5585 - 05/05/2001 09:27 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: Terminator]
tfabris
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No, he was mocking him. Good-naturedly. I don't think he meant any offense, he just wanted to call attention to the funny typo.

(In case you didn't catch it, Marius typed "Soldiering" instead of "Soldering".)

Personally, I think there's a lot in common between the two...

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#5586 - 05/05/2001 10:05 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: tfabris]
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(In case you didn't catch it, Marius typed "Soldiering" instead of "Soldering".)

As somebody already said, Dyslexics of all countries, untie! (or something)

Cheers!

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#5587 - 05/05/2001 14:32 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: jane]
rob
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Chill it, out it was a joke. I've taken MUCH worse from Patrick.

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#5588 - 05/05/2001 19:50 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: rob]
pca
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Chill it, out it was a joke. I've taken MUCH worse from Patrick.

And given it out! Although I think I'm ahead on points and style.

I don't deliberately set out to offend people, but sometimes my sense of humour
is somewhat quicker than the eye can follow.

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#5589 - 06/05/2001 02:14 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: Terminator]
jane
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OK, I get the point :-) I had forgotte nabout it already ;-)

If you look closely, most of my suggestions may be summed up as "Serial port multiplexer".

Marius


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#5590 - 06/05/2001 19:10 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: Geoff]
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Dr. Scott! (sorry.. i had to)

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#5591 - 15/06/2001 04:19 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: jane]
EngelenH
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Add a Universal radar detector to this and you could probably sell 10 times as many empegs in Holland. My god the Dutch really love their speed traps don't they ? Thank god my beamer has 4 disc brakes with some aggressive speed reduction properties. I must have dodged about 12 of them in the last month.

Sorry just thinking out loud.

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#5592 - 15/06/2001 04:45 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: EngelenH]
jane
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I wish for some kind of software that will interface with my
GPS. I can do the work of entering all the speed-traps in a
database, and then the Empeg will make some sound when I
approach one of the pre-programmed locations.

Marius (Escort Cab + Mark II)


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#5593 - 15/06/2001 04:58 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: EngelenH]
schofiel
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Tell me about it - just been hit again for being 3 km over the limit

If only Patrick would get started on the box! I am thinking about using an off the shelf PC104 CPU to do this with a piggy back multi-port serial. Expensive and over the top for what is needed, but I have no schematic capure software to even get a design started.

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#5594 - 15/06/2001 06:44 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: schofiel]
Dearing
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I did design one (Using I2C for multi-drop serial), but never built it because I knew I wouldn't be able to rewrite the linux serial driver to send a one-byte address before each serial communication session. I'm alright at coding C/C++, but not that good any more.
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#5595 - 15/06/2001 06:56 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: schofiel]
EngelenH
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Odd things is they have snapped me like 20 times and so far I only ever got one ticket. For 60 guilders, cost them more to make it up and send it to Belgium ..

Better keep my fingers crossed I guess.

Anyways radar detector or not. I am obviously interested in one of these boards too.

Hans

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#5596 - 15/06/2001 08:37 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: EngelenH]
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90% of the detectors are dummys. I admit I am a regular speed-offender, but I wouldn't want a detector in my car. I hate people braking for no apparent reason; it's not nice at 150 km/h. My experience with traffic police is the same. I once passed a motorcycle-agent while speeding 15 km/h on the A2. I didn't lower speed and he tailed me for about 20 km. After that a beamer (was that you, Hans?) passed by and I lost him. Policemen aren't out to bugger you, they just want safe and coordinated traffic-infrastructure...

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#5597 - 15/06/2001 09:03 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: fvgestel]
EngelenH
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If it was a black one with belgian plates .. yep. I drive over the A2 daily.

Obviously you have met other cops then me. I must say they are much more polite in Holland. I once had a cop tell me he was going to handcuff me and throw me in the river. Unless I told him what he wanted. I told he obviously saw too much television in his spare time. Anyways, I really hate those speed traps. I really believe there are better things they could do then this. Solve some traffic jams is one of them. I can not believe how silly and bad they are in Holland. And often totally without any good reason whatsoever.

Oh well
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#5598 - 15/06/2001 09:24 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: EngelenH]
fvgestel
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Solve some traffic jams is one of them. I can not believe how silly and bad they are in Holland. And often totally without any good reason whatsoever.
Yeah, they had the stupid idea to raise taxes on cars and gas to reduce the use of cars and traffic-jams. Instead, the inflation rates have gone higher than ever before and traffic-jams got even longer.
They've come up with a new policy since the beginning of this year: Every piece of highway where the average speed is below 70km/h will be added an extra lane. So I guess that within a few years Holland will look like LA, with 8-lane highways...
BTW, traffic-jams can be just as bad in Belgium. Try to drive to Sun Brussels a few time and you'll see what I mean...

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#5599 - 15/06/2001 18:55 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: schofiel]
pca
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I have in fact done quite a bit of design on this thing, as it was in some ways an outgrowth of a turbine ECU I've been playing with for quite some time. However, at the moment I'm up to my armpits in a horribly complex although very cute board that I'm being paid quite well for, and obviously filthy lucre takes priority over cool (Oi! That lucre is filthy! Take it away and bring me some clean lucre, immediately!)

That said, the current project is in fact very cool indeed, and if I didn't have the NDA I'm under, you lot would probably all want one.

pca

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#5600 - 16/06/2001 00:42 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: fvgestel]
EngelenH
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Well yeah Brussels can be bad, I could not get past 220 km/h on the ring last night. Not sure if it was the traffic or the RPM-limiter that was kicking on in the 5th gear that was causing it.

Seriously though, brussels is often a mess. But the rest of Belgium is usually pretty ok. Bar any road works which are often far far worse then in Holland.

Still if the Dutch could just learn to shift back in the right lane a tad sooner then some (most?) of them do now that would really make all the difference.

Hans


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#5601 - 16/06/2001 00:43 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: pca]
muzza
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Let me guess!

It's an MP3 player based on the empeg hardware that can also operate your turbine?



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#5602 - 16/06/2001 01:20 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: pca]
EngelenH
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Oh, are we hooking empegs up to the inboard car electronics now ?

Hans

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#5603 - 16/06/2001 05:40 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: pca]
rob
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at the moment I'm up to my armpits in a horribly complex although very cute board

Hmm, you should have mentioned how busy you were before we killed an afternoon torturing jelly babies with jet engines, H2SO4, NO3Na and various toolshop equipment. (Don't ask).

Anyway, when did an NDA ever stop you?

Rob



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#5604 - 16/06/2001 06:16 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: rob]
pca
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Hmm, you should have mentioned how busy you were before we killed an afternoon torturing jelly babies with jet engines, H2SO4, NO3Na and various toolshop equipment. (Don't ask).

I was on a break.

Anyway, when did an NDA ever stop you?

Wrong way around. Other people's NDA's don't stop me finding things out that I'm not supposed to know.

pca

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#5605 - 16/06/2001 06:20 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: rob]
EngelenH
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Hmm, you should have mentioned how busy you were before we killed an afternoon torturing jelly babies with jet engines, H2SO4, NO3Na and various toolshop equipment. (Don't ask).

Why do I suddenly get this urge to apply for a job with you guys, any job .. even janitor .. I never get to do that here.


Anyway, when did an NDA ever stop you?

And if that is not a clear eufimisme for 'go ahead, don't keep people in suspense and tell them what you are tinkering with' I dunno.

Hans

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#5606 - 16/06/2001 16:57 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: EngelenH]
xanatos
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Oh, are we hooking empegs up to the inboard car electronics now ?

I remember reading a post a while back about someone attempting to hook up the empeg to the in car computer. Then getting all sorts of nifty read outs from the car. I think it would be awesome myself. However, I don't have the knowledge or know how to do such a thing

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#5607 - 17/06/2001 01:50 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: EngelenH]
rob
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We don't tend to do that kind of thing at empeg either - if anything gets blown up it's usually just our music server (it's cursed).

Patrick isn't employed by empeg (and never has been) - he's one of those free spirit working from home types. That means he can poor acid over unsuspecting confectionary whenever he feels like it.

Oh, and the NDA is with another company so I can't really influence it!

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#5608 - 17/06/2001 01:52 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: xanatos]
rob
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Hmmmmmmm, now there's an idea

Should be pretty easy with the Supra - an in-dash digital readout for the ECU was actually a factory option.

Rob



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#5609 - 18/06/2001 00:42 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: rob]
EngelenH
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Well, can't be that hard really. Okay maybe it can but not with the talent you people have over there. Anyone who has ever seen his BMW hooked up to the computer over at the dealer/workshop will know what neat things you can get from the inboard electronics on some cars. And hooking it up is often a no-brainer with most of them having a clean and ready connector for just that sort of thing already. The only problem would be catering for the different brands and possebilities. I doubt (though am not sure) that there is a standard for this stuff as far as data retrieval and formatting goes.
Why can't these people just use snmp and distribute a mib for it ?

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#5610 - 18/06/2001 00:56 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: EngelenH]
schofiel
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... because I doubt you could build a client application that could handle dynamically conneced SNMP traps. Not for a garage environment.

There is a standard for ECU data set by the SAE (US) called OBD II. This defines the exchange protocols, data types, and content messages for the data connector. Normally the data is sent "Read Only" and is diagnostic and performance related. However, there is also a "Read/Write" category which is supported by some car ECUs (similar to non-volatile "Mode Page" parameters used in SCSI devices) which allows a monitoring client computer to set permanent parameter values. Depending on how the individual ECU is designed, this could be (for example) used for tuning data, or ignition maps, or fuelling maps.

I think you may have read this post from me as I was waiting for Patrick's board here (unsubtle hint) before I did anything further. I am currently working on my own ECU for my Mini which a scratch CPU design based on a Motorola processor. Most of the peripheral bits are going to be BOSCH (ironic given what happened to the MIni brand ). My idea was to try and write my dataport to comply to OBD II and feed it into the serial port of the empeg while docked so that I could run a display terminal on the screen of the empeg without having to carry a portable computer around with me.

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#5611 - 18/06/2001 01:19 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: schofiel]
fvgestel
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here is another thread on the subject


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#5612 - 18/06/2001 10:34 Re: empeg unit add-on IO board [Re: EngelenH]
TommyE
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Well there is a standard on many cars called OBDII.

Have a look at http://www.obd-2.com/ they sell very cheap OBDII->RS232
converters which gives you the possibility to send byte commands to your
vehicle and it will respond.

They also have some software if you don't want to write your own.

TommyE


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