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#98829 - 12/06/2002 07:02 Is it jEmpeg time again?
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
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OK .. I know I've been hiding for a while, buying (ok, well the bank is buying, I should say ) and moving into my new house. However, now that that's over (if "over" is defined as "30 years of commitment"), I'm starting to feel the jEmpeg itch again, and was curious to see what people would most like to see from it at this point. Are there any bugs that are driving you crazy? Any features that you'd really like to have? Voice your opinions now and whichever ones piques my interest the most wins

Mike

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#98830 - 12/06/2002 07:07 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Updating of the ID3v2 tags based on the Database info., preferable in the download step!
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#98831 - 12/06/2002 07:52 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
image
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Registered: 28/04/2002
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i'd like to see findempeg functionality for it. everytime you scan the network at startup, it will put the name and ip address of the empeg unit(s) into a specified hosts file.

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#98832 - 12/06/2002 08:02 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
genixia
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Wendy!
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#98833 - 12/06/2002 10:18 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Wishes:

1) (As already mentioned) Write freshened tags to files you've downloaded.

2) Update the main "root" Jemplode installer so that newbies don't have to get the latest JAR file. If I recall correctly, the current main Jemplode installer doesn't have the version with auto-updating built-in. Once you've upgraded the main installer to a version that auto-updates (and has auto-update turned on by default), then this becomes less critical.

3) Fix whatever remaining issues there are with parsing tags at import-time. People continue to report trouble with certain files with goofy tags.

4) Fix that bug I'm having where, on only one of my operating systems (2000), the left-hand pane never repaints and just says "loading..." instead of displaying my player contents (we were discussing this in e-mail before the black hole of house-buying swallowed you up).

5) Figure out how to make the mouse wheel work in all scrolling lists.
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#98834 - 12/06/2002 10:35 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: tfabris]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Mouse wheel - YES!
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#98835 - 12/06/2002 11:57 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
kingtj
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Registered: 22/05/2002
Posts: 18
Loc: St. Louis, MO (USA)
Yeah, I find that updating ID3 tags is the biggest pain in getting my music organized for use with the Rio/Empeg car player.

It would be very cool if jEmpeg worked in conjunction with a freeware MP3 encoder like LAME, and could automatically rip a music CD into MP3, get tag info from www.freedb.org, and automatically queue the results for synchronizing with the Empeg/Rio Car player - all in one step.

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#98836 - 12/06/2002 12:37 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
justinlarsen
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im with brad on the mouse wheel
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#98837 - 12/06/2002 13:06 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: kingtj]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
And it would also be very cool if my toaster also opened cans, chopped up food, cooked it, and washed my dishes afterwards... But I can't imagine what that toaster would look like!

I say let jEmpeg concentrate on syncing MP3's with your Empeg, and leave the CD ripping/encoding tasks to the programs like EAC and LAME that do those well. EAC has been under development for years, and it's widely considered the best... Why try to replicate what they've done? I think Mike's time is better spent on improving jEmplode's interface, fine-tuning ID3/tagging issues, etc rather than duplicating what other programs already do very well.
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#98838 - 12/06/2002 13:36 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: tonyc]
genixia
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Yeah, I totally agree. I'd much rather see jEmpeg concentrate on the synch. process than try to be a Do-It-All CD->empeg tool.

Besides which - I don't believe that LAME is available in a java implementation.
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#98839 - 12/06/2002 13:45 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: genixia]
tonyc
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Besides which - I don't believe that LAME is available in a java implementation

Well it wouldn't necessarily need to be a Java implementation, JNI could make calls to the LAME libs... But it's still a bad idea.
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#98840 - 12/06/2002 15:19 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: genixia]
mschrag
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You know you're the first person I think that's actually asked for this. Does nobody use Wendy filters? I personally don't but only because I'm too stupid to figure them out.... (this is not saying that I won't add them, just that I haven't bothered to understand them)

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#98841 - 12/06/2002 15:23 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: tfabris]
mschrag
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1) I need to talk to Daniel about this one since that library is his

2) I think the latest is, but I may not have done it right. The new InstallAnywhere is out too, and I'm itching to try it out so that gives me a good reason.

3) Daniel also ... Anyone who is having tag parsing problems, let me know and preferably send me a link to the MP3 that is failing.

4) This one sucks.. I have no idea what's going on. I'll track it down. You're going to have to be a gineau (sp?) pig since I can't reproduce it.

5) JDK 1.4 has this built in, but since only a few OS's have that for now, I'd have to use native code to do it, which kind of sucks. I'll take a look at what the options are. Since the native code would probably only be on Windows, I may try to make this a 1.4-only feature... You'd have to update your JDK, but at least it would be available on Solaris, Windows and Linux (and OS X in a couple months when Jaguar comes out)

Mike

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#98842 - 12/06/2002 15:25 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: tonyc]
mschrag
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I guess this thread was settled If you have any recommendations for ways to make whatever problems you may be having easier as a more general feature of jEmplode, let me know.

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#98843 - 12/06/2002 16:32 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
genixia
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Well, it's the one thing that Emplode does that jEmpeg doesn't, so for jEmpeg to be a true replacement for Emplode, I think it needs to be implemented.

I don't know how many people use Wendy filters - they are a bit of a pain to set up in Emplode, and this may be a barrier to their mass-acceptance. Every track must be individually selected, right-clicked to gain property access and then have it's flags set which isn't very cool. I'd really like to be able to multiple-select tracks and mass-set a Wendy flag on them all at once. (That's way it'd only take me 5 minutes to flag all of the tracks with lyrics that my 19 month old shouldn't be hearing!). It'd also be useful to be able to select a playlist and have jEmpeg recurse through it applying flags - in conjunction with the soup views, it would be very easy to set up "wife-hates" flags on the appropiate genres.

IIRC, there's also some player quirks with Wendy filters - with the current applied filter being lost under certain circumstances or something. I can't remember the details as I'd only just joined the commnuity when the discussions on this were taking place..(Tony!!?).. But I don't feel that this should stop jEmpeg from being able to create them, and might help add impetus for these quirks to eventually be ironed out.

Thanks for the great work


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#98844 - 12/06/2002 16:35 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: genixia]
tfabris
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Every track must be individually selected, right-clicked to gain property access and then have it's flags set which isn't very cool. I'd really like to be able to multiple-select tracks and mass-set a Wendy flag on them all at once.

As far as I know, you can group-select tracks in Emplode and apply properties including Wendy flags.

It's theoretically possible that this is only a beta12 feature and that's why I can do it and you can't. If you really and truly can't do this in beta11, well then it's a FITNR.
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#98845 - 12/06/2002 17:10 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: image]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
Do you mean you'd like a commandline tool that just does the network discovery?

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#98846 - 12/06/2002 22:02 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: tfabris]
Waterman981
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Registered: 14/02/2002
Posts: 804
Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
I think he means by selecting a playlist, not just multiple tracks, and tagging the entire playlist with a particular wendy flag. I know that is something I would love to see. I am currently switching back and forth between emplode, and Jempeg to get my playlists, and wendy filters how I want them.
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#98847 - 12/06/2002 23:21 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
image
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In reply to:

Do you mean you'd like a commandline tool that just does the network discovery?




yeah. something automatic. might as put it in one step, instead of running 2 programs.

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#98848 - 12/06/2002 23:30 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
dcosta
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Registered: 04/02/2002
Posts: 277
Loc: Massachussetts
Does anybody use Wendy filters?

uh, yeah !?
Wendy's a hot little mama.
I had MY girlfriend go through all my music in emplode and
select all the music she likes by marking it with a "Her Music" Wendy.
Now when she's around, I just hit down,down,down and apply her filter.
Then when she goes to fiddle with the d4mn thing I say
"You told Wendy to play this, so leave it alone"
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#98849 - 13/06/2002 03:05 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
tms13
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Registered: 30/07/2001
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Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
In reply to:

Does nobody use Wendy filters?


I don't - but I might if JEmplode supported them. OTOH, I haven't really looked at what they might do for me (since I don't have a tool to apply them, and I don't know the syntax to do it in emptool).
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#98850 - 13/06/2002 03:14 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
tms13
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I'd like a way to edit all a tune or playlist's properties in JEmplode, not just the ones that appear in the database. Emptool allows setting of arbitrary properties.

For instance, it would help me organise my "singles" playlists if I could add a "release date" property to them all, and then use that field to sort them. Emptool lets me add the property, but it doesn't sort playlists. I could use the "comments" property for this but (a) I tend to use it to annotate marked tracks with the reason for marking, and (b) that's using space in the DB for information that's not useful player-side.

It would also enable the removal of obsolete properties from previous versions of emptool.
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#98851 - 13/06/2002 05:24 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: tms13]
mschrag
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I'll take a look at this one ... I think the best I could do is String sort it (i.e. it wouldn't be able to know the data type of that field -- though maybe I can provide an additional interface to setting that too...)

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#98852 - 13/06/2002 06:00 jEmpeg: custom properties [Re: mschrag]
tms13
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String sort would be fine (for dates, I would use ISO 8601 format YYYY-MM-DD, which sorts lexicographically).

If people need numeric (or other) sorts for their custom fields, it might be possible to extend the View->Columns dialog to specify the sort rule for each column.
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#98853 - 14/06/2002 13:45 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
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After editing a FID (tag) and hitting OK the files portion of the screen defaults back to the top of the list, not the file you were working with. This can be very irritating if you're fixing a lot of tags on the empeg (I know, I know mp3 tagstudio).

That's my $0.02.

-Zeke
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#98854 - 14/06/2002 13:45 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
retmana
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I'm seemingly unique in not paying much attention during the Mp3 ripping and encoding process - I just keep stuffing CD's in to my PC at work and let AudioGrabber do it's stuff.

Which means that I tidy up the tags for the files once they're downloaded to the empeg, using emplode or jemplode.

What I'd really like is a feature that allows a bunch of tracks to be selected, then choose a menu option that swaps the artist & title around for those tracks. This is a real pain to do manually, and happens quite a lot with the Freedb tracklistings.

I'd also like a quick filter for duplicate tracks (same artist & title, but different sources) so that I can review them and decide which ones to keep. This is a real pain to do manually, with 5000 tracks!!! I've posted a similar question in the general section here but this seems a more appropriate place to pose the question.

Cheers.

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#98855 - 14/06/2002 14:16 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: retmana]
image
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In reply to:

I'd also like a quick filter for duplicate tracks (same artist & title, but different sources) so that I can review them and decide which ones to keep. This is a real pain to do manually, with 5000 tracks!!! I've posted a similar question in the general section here but this seems a more appropriate place to pose the question.




there is a shareware product called Mp3Utility that filter dupes based on a percentage of the filename being the same... but you have to do this on your original collection.

btw, anyone who has an open-source alternative to the program above, be my guest and tell me =)

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#98856 - 14/06/2002 22:20 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
Terminator
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Registered: 12/01/2000
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Loc: Dallas, TX
I know that this is a big project, but it would be nice if Jemplode would sync a directory of mp3s on my pc with the empeg. Similiar to rsync but for windows and mac users.

Sean

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#98857 - 17/06/2002 04:16 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: Terminator]
adavidw
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Registered: 10/11/2000
Posts: 497
Loc: Utah, USA
Make the Command key work for copy and paste and stuff instead of just the Control key on Mac OS X.

Oh, and also make the full installer on the other systems install a 1.4 VM. Heck, why don't you make it install a 1.4 vm on my OS X machine as well? (hee hee)
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#98858 - 17/06/2002 14:42 Re: Is it jEmpeg time again? [Re: mschrag]
guardian__J
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Registered: 28/01/2002
Posts: 265
Loc: MI, USA
One thing I'm just realizing I'd like is for it to ask me to do a sync if I click exit and have not yet.
Emplode does when you click exit, and it's nice...
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