Stupid puzzle calendar

Posted by: wfaulk

Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:13

Last year for Christmas, I got a stocking stuffer that was a day-by-day calendar with brain teasers. It's produced by Mensa, supposedly. The brain teasers mostly consist of word problems, and I've found any number of mistakes. But today's takes the cake. Here it is:
If Charlie were one year older, he would be half Pat's age. In two years, he will be half her age then. How old are they now? (Hint: Neither one is yet a teenager.)
Can anyone else find the problem with this word problem? (It's not a grammar issue.)
Posted by: trs24

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:29

Are you referring to a gramatical problem? I can only assume you are, being the grammar police and all. I'm not seeing it, though.

btw - Charlie is 1 and Pat is 4. Does this mean I can join Mensa, now? Oh, or Charlie is 3 and Pat is 8. So... Multiples?
Posted by: russmeister

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:29

If Charlie were one year older, he would be half Pat's age. In two years, he will be half her age then. How old are they now? (Hint: Neither one is yet a teenager.)

Multiple answers?
If Charlie is 3 then Pat would be 8 and in 2 years Charlie is 5 and Pat is 10. If Charlie is 5 then Pat would be 12 and in 2 years Charlie is 7 and Pat is 14.

That's just the two solutions I came up with really quick.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:35

Sorry. It's not a grammatical issue. And both of you are getting real close.
Posted by: Jerz

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:38

Can anyone else find the problem with this word problem?

I'm not sure that I see a problem with this word problem.

Looks to me like Charlie is currently 20 and Pat is currently 42.

But that seems too easy.

Edit: never mind I didn't read the part where neither is *yet* a teenager.
Posted by: russmeister

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:39

Ah, I think I have it.
(Hint: Neither one is yet a teenager.)

Doesn't matter. Charlie's 13 and Pat's 28. Then you go to 15 and 30. It's a useless piece of information
Posted by: jmwking

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:41

If Charlie were one year older, he would be half Pat's age. In two years, he will be half her age then. How old are they now? (Hint: Neither one is yet a teenager.)
It appears to solve to a series:

0 and 2 : 1/2 2/4
1 and 4 : 2/4 3/6
2 and 6 : 3/6 4/8
3 and 8 : 4/8 5/10
4 and 10 : 5/10 6/12
5 and 12 : 6/12 7/14
6 and 14 : but I guess one is a teen then...

-jk
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:48

Yeah. The problem is that, discounting the ``hint'', there are an infinite number of answers, and, if you assume that ages don't have to be integers, there are an infinite number of answers even making the hint a mandatory part of the puzzle.

That is, the implied equations of
c + 1 = p / 2
and
c + 2 = (p + 2) / 2
are equivalent. They both reduce to the same thing.

Yet the official answer is ``Charlie is 3, Pat is 8''.

That's the problem with this entire calendar. No one seems to have double-checked the puzzles at all. It's very frustrating, especially considering that Mensa put their name on it. You'd think there would be some quality verification -- that someone would have taken the few hours to go through and solve all 365 puzzles. But noooooo.
Posted by: genixia

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 09:59

Charlie is 57 and Pat is the oldest person in the world (116). In two years time, Charlie will be 59, and Pat will be dead.

Seriously though, the problem is that there is no single solution - and only the teenager statement does anything to narrow things down. Charlie could be any age { 0 <= C <= 5}.

If Charlie were one year older, he would be half Pat's age.
C+1 = P/2
2(C+1)=P
2C=P-2
C=P-1

In two years, he will be half her age then. How old are they now?
C+2 = (P+2)/2
2(C+2)=P+2
2C+4=P+2
2C=P-2
C=P-1
Posted by: lastdan

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 11:34

here's another puzzle (sorry if it's lame, but it took me weeks)

O,T,T,F,F,S,S,E,?

Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 11:40

N,T,E,T,T,F,F,S,S,E,N,T

(it gets real boring after that).
Posted by: ricin

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 11:41

N,T,E,T,T,F,F,S,S,E,N ...

And actually, I've always seen it start with Z.
Posted by: jbradshw

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 11:44

One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight
Posted by: jbauer

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 16:12

Ok, here's one:

Where do the next few letters go?

A__________E__ F___H
___B__C__D______G

Please disregard the underscores as the BBS was deleting the spaces...

- Jon
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 19:26

I   K L M N           T   V W X Y Z

J O P Q R S U
Posted by: jbauer

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 19:39

Yep Bitt, ya got it!

Did you know it already or just figure it out?

- Jon
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 19:56

It was actually a question a week or two ago in the titular stupid puzzle calendar, but I got it then pretty quickly, too.
Posted by: lectric

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 21:21

That was an easy one. Especially typed. It's sometimes harder to see the straight lines versus curves when written out by hand.

But I love logic problems. So keep em coming!
Posted by: jbauer

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 22:33

Ok, this is a logical trivia question... You CAN figure this out with logic.

Name the animal with the highest blood pressure?

- Jon
Posted by: genixia

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 22:36

...but how many vertebrae does it have?
Posted by: tanstaafl.

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 23:39

Ok, here's one:


And here's another.

I have three American coins whose face value adds up to 25 cents. One of the coins is not a dime. What are the three coins?

tanstaafl.
Posted by: ricin

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 30/09/2003 23:48

Two dimes and a nickel.
Posted by: ricin

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 01/10/2003 00:07

I like this one, a little silly though.

1. How do you put a giraffe into a refrigerator?

2. How do you put an elephant into a refrigerator?

3. The Lion King is hosting an animal conference. All the animals
attend except one. Which animal does not attend?

4. There is a river you must cross but it is inhabited by crocodiles.
How do you manage it?
Posted by: genixia

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 01/10/2003 00:13

1) Open door, put giraffe in refridgerator, close door.
2) Open door, remove giraffe, put elephant in.
3) Elephant - he's in the fridge.
4) Wade straight through - all the crocs are at a conference.
Posted by: ricin

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 01/10/2003 00:21

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Give the man a rubber trisket!

See, I told you it was silly. It's amazing how many people can't think straight through it like that though.

Here's the original text (as I got it anyway):
  1. How do you put a giraffe into a refrigerator?

    The correct answer is: Open the refrigerator, put in the giraffe, and close the door.
    This question tests whether you tend to do simple things in an overly complicated way.

  2. How do you put an elephant into a refrigerator?

    Did you say, "Open the refrigerator, put in the elephant, and close the refrigerator?" (Wrong Answer)

    Correct Answer: Open the refrigerator, take out the giraffe, put in the elephant and close the door.
    This tests your ability to think through the repercussions of your previous actions.

  3. The Lion King is hosting an animal conference. All the animals attend except one. Which animal does not attend?

    Correct Answer: The Elephant. The elephant is in the refrigerator. You just put him in there.
    This tests your memory.

  4. There is a river you must cross but it is inhabited by crocodiles.
    How do you manage it?

    Correct Answer: You swim across. All the crocodiles are attending the Animal Meeting (Remember).
    This tests whether you learn quickly from your mistakes.


    According to Anderson Consulting Worldwide, around 90% of
    the professionals they tested got all questions wrong. But many
    preschoolers got several correct answers. Tom Golden Consulting says
    this conclusively disproves the theory that most professionals have the
    brains of a four year old.


Posted by: lectric

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 01/10/2003 07:38

you know. I need to read the board more often. I got here waaaay too late.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 01/10/2003 08:21

Name the animal with the highest blood pressure?
(That should be a period.)

No one got around to answering this one, really. Giraffe?
Posted by: jbauer

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 01/10/2003 08:38

Yeah, sorry about the incorrect punctuation.

Giraffe is correct.

- Jon
Posted by: genixia

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 01/10/2003 09:10

No one got around to answering this one, really. Giraffe?

...and ?
Posted by: frog51

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 02/10/2003 00:59

Bit slow to respond - been away a few days - but just let me say that the lack of verification does not vaguely surprise me. Of the eighty-odd Mensans I know, I would only reckon two have any common sense at all. The rest should really be kept in their caves to do 'clever' stuff
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 02/10/2003 14:31

Today's puzzle:
The following 17 letters can be anagrammed into a five-word dialectical phrase meaning "a little farther along."

A A C D D E E E H I N O O P R T W
The answer? "Down the road apiece." More now in addition to being poor at algebra, they're poor at doing arithmetic.

(Okay, they obviously meant "down the road a piece", especially given that "apiece" means "per individual" and not "a small portion", but still.)
Posted by: lectric

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 02/10/2003 21:18

Ouch... That's painful. Ever played MindTrap? It's pretty good, but some of the questions are pretty lame.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 03/10/2003 01:13

I have three American coins whose face value adds up to 25 cents. One of the coins is not a dime. What are the three coins?


One quarter and two Chuck E Cheese tokens (non refundable).
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 03/10/2003 01:16

I have three American coins whose face value adds up to 25 cents. One of the coins is not a dime. What are the three coins?


Or one quarter, and two pennies that have been smashed by a train on a railroad track.
Posted by: lectric

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 03/10/2003 13:26

I have three American coins whose face value adds up to 25 cents. One of the coins is not a dime. What are the three coins?


Two dimes and a nickel of course. One of the coins is not a dime. The other two are.
Posted by: canuckInOR

Re: Stupid puzzle calendar - 03/10/2003 22:03

I have three American coins whose face value adds up to 25 cents. One of the coins is not a dime. What are the three coins?
One quarter and two Chuck E Cheese tokens (non refundable).
ROFL