Posted by: wfaulk
Ratzinger becomes Pope - 19/04/2005 14:51
Nuts. And we thought it was a conservative church before.
Ratzinger becomes Pope
Posted by: peter
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 19/04/2005 14:55
Yeah, I certainly didn't expect the leader of the Inquisition.
Peter
Peter
Posted by: time
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 19/04/2005 15:54
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Yeah, I certainly didn't expect the leader of the Inquisition.
Peter
<insert obligatory Monty Python clip here>
Posted by: bonzi
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 19/04/2005 22:07
Yeah. One of the guy's (sorry, His Hollyness' or whatever) favorite harangue targets is that strange and dangerous European idea of multiculturalism. He calls the Europe to return to its roots: gladly; they certainly don't lie in some bloodthisty desert religion (any of them). 
(Sorry, Jeff, I know that what you believe is diametrically opposite of bloodthisty, but I think you know what I mean.)
(Sorry, Jeff, I know that what you believe is diametrically opposite of bloodthisty, but I think you know what I mean.)
Posted by: Foz
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 20/04/2005 00:04
I was hoping for Arinze. I'm certainly not happy with the new pope they foisted off on us. So much for an interim "just keep things in context" pope.
-- Gary F.
-- Gary F.
Posted by: jimhogan
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 20/04/2005 00:11
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Yeah, I certainly didn't expect the leader of the Inquisition.
Dang, never mind all that! I picked the Cardinals in seven!
Posted by: kayakjazz
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 20/04/2005 01:13
Other Germans have had similar ideas in his lifetime, but of course his Party membership was "involuntary"...
I guess they need to trot out the real conservatives now to show how much they mean business, because they haven't got--and can't get--(they're begging for vocations from the puplit in Ireland! --a new genration to replace them.... One more triumph of a 15th century reactionary mindset in the 21st....
I guess they need to trot out the real conservatives now to show how much they mean business, because they haven't got--and can't get--(they're begging for vocations from the puplit in Ireland! --a new genration to replace them.... One more triumph of a 15th century reactionary mindset in the 21st....
Posted by: wfaulk
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 20/04/2005 01:42
Well, Arinze is almost as conservative. At least he has a third-world heritage for it to come from, though.
I was hoping for one of the Latin American hopefuls, myself. (Well, except the Mexican guy, who once shut down a monastery because he thought it might be teaching Marxist ideas.) They were conservative theologically, but much more progressive socially. Personally, I don't care so much about the theology, but I'd like to see more interest in social problems. Of course, JPII was pretty interested in that stuff, at least as far as the second and third worlds went. And the Argentinian guy is a Jesuit. That would have been cool.
In fact, the other guy I liked was the Italian Jesuit.
Ah well. At least Ratzinger is already 78. He should be a short-lived Pope. Not that I wish for his death. Far from it. I'd just like to see less conservativism in one of the most influential organizations in the world.
I was hoping for one of the Latin American hopefuls, myself. (Well, except the Mexican guy, who once shut down a monastery because he thought it might be teaching Marxist ideas.) They were conservative theologically, but much more progressive socially. Personally, I don't care so much about the theology, but I'd like to see more interest in social problems. Of course, JPII was pretty interested in that stuff, at least as far as the second and third worlds went. And the Argentinian guy is a Jesuit. That would have been cool.
In fact, the other guy I liked was the Italian Jesuit.
Ah well. At least Ratzinger is already 78. He should be a short-lived Pope. Not that I wish for his death. Far from it. I'd just like to see less conservativism in one of the most influential organizations in the world.
Posted by: JeffS
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 20/04/2005 12:12
Quote:You don't need to apologize to me. I don't know anything about Ratzinger, nor am I really too concerned about him. I understand from reading a few articles that he has held to some traditional doctrines, which obviously I hold for my own faith, but evangelical Christianity is far different from Catholicism so this really is an apples to oranges comparison. Really I’m only affected by the new pope the same way anyone else is- his appointment necessarily has an effect on our society but I do not regard him as my spiritual leader.
Sorry, Jeff, I know that what you believe is diametrically opposite of bloodthisty, but I think you know what I mean.
Posted by: bonzi
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 20/04/2005 19:48
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You don't need to apologize to me. [...] I do not regard him as my spiritual leader.
Well, yes, but my reference to 'bloodthisty desert religions' was rather, err, sweeping...
That said, I really don't think that any religion, including Christianity in general and Roman Catholicism in particular, should have anything to do with defining what Europe is or is not. This is very close to home for me.
Posted by: tfabris
Re: Ratzinger becomes Pope - 21/04/2005 22:57
Darn, they named him "Benedict XVI". I was really hoping he'd be named George Ringo.