Posted by: G_fresh
Schematics for Mk2? - 11/10/2005 18:58
Does anyone have schematics for the Mk2? I released some magic smoke!
Thanks!
Posted by: tman
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 11/10/2005 19:30
Nope. The only people that have it are either the designers or under NDA.
Posted by: tfabris
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 11/10/2005 20:01
More specific inormation about your procedure you used to release the magic smoke might help.
Many owners have been able to fix their own players, even without a schematic, thanks to the help of the Empeg gang and people here on the BBS. Have you looked at the
troubleshooting section?
Posted by: Shonky
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 12/10/2005 08:24
Hugo did
say this though a while back.
Nothing any further happened - possibly the higher ups wouldn't approve it. Would be nice eventually though.
Posted by: G_fresh
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 13/10/2005 02:47
OK, so previously I tied the ignition pin to +12V directly to help me troubleshoot some alternator whine. It seemed to help. When I went to reproduce this experiment, I put the empeg back into the sled, touched the ignition terminal to +12V, it started to boot and then smoke came out of the right, back side. It also blew the +12V in-line fuse.
When I took it apart, I found that a via just below and to the right of the four pin power header was burnt out (some of the FR4 was charred!). There is a silver-looking, two terminal part (heatsinked power or'ing diode?) to its left. If it is a diode, it's toast because it measures as a short...
So any ideas? The schematics are not public domain even though this is an old product from a defunct company? Anyway, thanks in advance for any help you all are willing to offer!
Ryan
Posted by: schofiel
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 13/10/2005 08:59
You are in deep poo. I have seen exactly this failure in a player I have here for repair. It is reparable but requires surgery depeinding on the extent of the damage. You probably had a loose screw in the case that dropped into the back corner of the PCB when you previously picked it up to carry it.
It's unlikely the schematics will go public. I have not got permission to release them, I'm fraid.
Posted by: mlord
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 15/10/2005 18:56
I would like to have the schematics as well.
BUT.. it is NOT a case of "why shouldn't they release them", but rather, "what incentive do they have TO release them?"
I don't see an incentive.
Posted by: tfabris
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 16/10/2005 09:38
I thought it was more a case of "they don't own the rights to release the schematics any more".
Posted by: frog51
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 17/10/2005 08:08
I really applaud the sentiment, and for individuals it is often workable...many techies do give stuff to those who may need it more, it is one of those karma things....people give a little to support others
Corporates very rarely do this sort of thing...and even when they appear altruistic, there is usually a reason (even if it is only getting good publicity for charity work)
Sad and cynical, but pretty true, I'm afraid
Posted by: gbeer
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 18/10/2005 01:46
Yes, but what if...
you asked to be released from the NDA.
Posted by: shadow45
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 18/10/2005 13:50
Ive got a fridge-sized AS/400 and a stack of Kronos timeclocks, a pile of (old) money relatively speaking. And it just sits there for that same reason
Posted by: schofiel
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 18/10/2005 17:35
Well, I am already. SONIC Blue doesn't exist any more, does it?
Posted by: schofiel
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 18/10/2005 17:38
Well, Patrick and Hugo have the rights, I believe. I was not allowed to disclose while employed by Sonic Blue (NDA) and I have simply stuck with that out of loyalty in the meantime. I will stay that way unless I hear otherwise, 'cos it's not my call.
Hugo?
Posted by: drakino
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 20/10/2005 04:18
Doesn't Sigmatel own the rights to it now, or does that only cover the software?
Posted by: schofiel
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 20/10/2005 12:43
No idea. It's pointless asking me, the IP issues over the software or hardware are beyond me. Mike Crowe was working on this at SigmaTel, so either he or Hugo should be able to answer definitively.
Posted by: gbeer
Re: Schematics for Mk2? - 24/10/2005 02:27
So Is there some point where it becomes abandoned property and the squatters start moving in.