Daylight savings time change?

Posted by: siberia37

Daylight savings time change? - 13/03/2007 13:50

Can the Empeg be updated somehow (zoneinfo update?) to reflect the new daylight savings time change? I guess I could just set my clock manually- but really what fun is that?
Posted by: mlord

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 13/03/2007 15:21

Yes, I've already done this for a couple of my own players.

Just replace everything inside /usr/share/zoneinfo/ with the newer contents from any recent Linux distro (or download from the motherlode source for those if you like).

EDIT: and then re-create the localtime symlink, either manually or via the player's front-panel interface.

-ml
Posted by: tfabris

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 13/03/2007 15:33

Anyone willing to put up step-by-step shell prompt instructions with a zip file that I can FAQ?
Posted by: Mataglap

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 19/03/2007 02:04

For debian 3.1, the zoneinfo stuff is in the libc6 deb.

get zoneinfo-2007.tgz onto the empeg, ftp or whatever

Code:
cd /usr/share
mv zoneinfo zoneinfo-2006
tar xvzf /${fullpath}/zoneinfo-2007.tgz ./
mv zoneinfo-2007 zoneinfo


reboot the empeg
from the onscreen menu reset your timezone

Edit : Fixed code tags
--_l0ser
Posted by: tfabris

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 00:28

Done. Thanks very very much!
Posted by: boxer

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 06:31

Daylight saving was the invention of William Willett of Petts Wood, Kent: Where the woods are named after him, and the pub, where I've had many a pint, is called the Daylight. He was a friend of Winston Churchill.
The only other notable inhabitant of this London suburb was Charles DeGaulle, who had a semi detached house there during the war.
When it comes to useless information, look no further!
Posted by: tfabris

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 14:46

What the heck is a semi detached house?
Posted by: Roger

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 14:57

Quote:
What the heck is a semi detached house?


Two end-of-terrace houses stuck together with the rest of the terrace missing.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 15:04

Okay, what is an "end-of-terrace house" and, for that matter, "terrace", in this context?
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 15:05

Okay, I did a Google image search, and it seems the American word for this is "duplex".

Although, with more searching, it seems that "semi-detached home" refers to one living space, not the whole building, and that the semi-detached home is owned, not rented, so a more equivalent term may be "(half of a) two-family condominium".
Posted by: julf

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 15:36

And what is a "duplex" then?
Posted by: tman

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 15:38

Awesome ASCII skillz...

Detached
Code:
   ---------
  /         \
 /           \
/             \
|             |
|   House 1   |
|             |
|             |
---------------


Semi-detached
Code:
   -------------------------
  /            |            \
 /             |             \
/              |              \
|              |              |
|   House 1    |   House 2    |
|              |              |
|              |              |
-------------------------------


Terrace
Code:
   -----------------------------------------------------
  /            |             |             |            \
 /             |             |             |             \
/              |             |             |              \
|              |             |             |              |
|   House 1    |   House 2   |   House 3   |   House 4    |
|              |             |             |              |
|              |             |             |              |
-----------------------------------------------------------
Posted by: Roger

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 15:41

Quote:
Okay, what is an "end-of-terrace house" and, for that matter, "terrace", in this context?


A terraced house is like a row house, I think. End-of-terrace should be fairly self-explanatory: The houses in the middle have a neighbour on both side walls. The houses at the end have a neighbour on only one side wall.

This is a fairly common form of housing in the UK, particularly where the housing was built during the industrial revolution. Think Coronation Street, if you're into that kind of thing.

A detached house is a house standing by itself (as the name suggests). These are less common.

Also common is the semi-detached house where you build two houses that are mirror-images of eachother and they share a single wall in the middle. Each side is referred to as a semi-detached house.

I'm not sure if this is the same as a duplex, because my reading of that suggests that this refers to any building containing two dwellings.

A semi-detached house is split vertically, so it has a left-side and a right-side. If it were split horizontally (with a top and a bottom) this'd be a maisonette (I think).
Posted by: tman

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 15:41

Quote:
semi-detached home is owned, not rented

No distinction is made
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 15:47

Quote:
I'm not sure if this is the same as a duplex, because my reading of that suggests that this refers to any building containing two dwellings.

Yes, that's sort-of true. The general idea of a duplex is that it appears to be a single-family house at a glance, but it actually contains two separate dwellings. It also, generally, is owned as a whole by a single owner, not each side owned separately.

But, regardless, we weren't (well, I wasn't, anyway) even familiar with the general term "semi-detached house". So "two-family dwelling" is probably as far as we needed to go. Although Mr. Boxer did say that DeGaulle owned one, and my understanding of the terminology is that that means that he owned one dwelling, not the entire building.
Posted by: mlord

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 16:31

A duplex generally is a row house which contains two living units, each with their own external entrances and balconies. A triplex has three living units.

When my family lived in Montreal many decades ago, we occupied the second story unit of a duplex, with a nice Italian-Canadian landlord in the unit below.

Cheers
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 18:29

That is not an exclusive definition for a duplex here in the South. Honestly, we don't have many row houses at all.
Posted by: peter

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 20:09

Quote:
Quote:
semi-detached home is owned, not rented

No distinction is made

Perhaps it'd be more accurate to say that the two semi-detached houses can be independently owned (and usually are), as opposed to a building of two flats, where the flats will be leased or rented from the building owner, because it doesn't make sense to own one flat outright. You can't exactly say "I'm demolishing my ground-floor flat, hope that's OK with you people upstairs", whereas it's perfectly possible to demolish one of a pair of semi-detached houses.

It sounds as if "duplex" doesn't capture the important distinction of whether the two dwellings are vertically or horizontally duplexed; Wikipedia says that semi-detached is the official term even in US English, with "duplex" being more colloquial, but that sort of local dialect precision is exactly what Wikipedia is least good at.

Peter
Posted by: peter

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 20:12

Quote:
A semi-detached house is split vertically, so it has a left-side and a right-side. If it were split horizontally (with a top and a bottom) this'd be a maisonette (I think).

"Maisonette" seems to mean different things to different people. I've heard it used like that, to mean "a small block of flats, so small we don't want to use the phrase 'block of flats' as it puts people off", but I've also heard it used to mean "a horizontal slice of a larger building, but one on more than one level so the word 'flat' doesn't sound right".

Peter
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 20:17

Quote:
Wikipedia says that semi-detached is the official term even in US English

It's certainly possible that it's an official term in some government administration office somewhere, but, if it's not clear from this thread, it's definitely not in common colloquial use.

Quote:
it's perfectly possible to demolish one of a pair of semi-detached houses.

I cannot imagine such a situation in the US, independently owned or not.
Posted by: petteri

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 20/03/2007 20:29

Quote:
it's perfectly possible to demolish one of a pair of semi-detached houses.


In the US this would probably be included as a "deed restriction". That is something in the deed (title) to your property that places a limit on your ownership.
Posted by: Yang

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 22/03/2007 18:06

Quote:
That is not an exclusive definition for a duplex here in the South. Honestly, we don't have many row houses at all.


I'm in North Carolina, and there are many town-houses in my area which are basically terraces/row-houses.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 22/03/2007 18:12

I'm in NC, too (Raleigh), and while there are some, they are all new construction where the developers are interested in copying a plan out of a book rather than tying it in with the existing architecture, so none of them are older than, say 20 years.
Posted by: Robotic

Re: Daylight savings time change? - 06/02/2008 16:06

Originally Posted By: Mataglap
For debian 3.1, the zoneinfo stuff is in the libc6 deb.

get zoneinfo-2007.tgz onto the empeg, ftp or whatever

Code:
cd /usr/share
mv zoneinfo zoneinfo-2006
tar xvzf /${fullpath}/zoneinfo-2007.tgz ./
mv zoneinfo-2007 zoneinfo


reboot the empeg
from the onscreen menu reset your timezone

Edit : Fixed code tags
--_l0ser

I just performed this update to my empeg a few nights ago and would like to thank everyone for contributing. I did a good deal of reading about bash prompt and hyperterm use in the FAQ before starting (I'm nearly a complete linux n00b).
On Win2k with Filezilla FTP, I moved the file over to a folder on the empeg. Using Mark Lord's Hijack web interface I could see the file and the execution properties, so 'activating' the file (chmod?) was not needed.
While I could move the old files following the instructions (mv zoneinfo zoneinfo-2006), I couldn't see a folder 'zoneinfo-2006' being created (viewing through FTP client). I reversed the move and the info re-appeared, so I know it was going somewhere safe.

In the end, I created folders to my liking using Filezilla and then executed the bash instructions through it, too (prefaced with 'site').

It took me a long while to sort out the unpacking command tar xvzf /${fullpath}/zoneinfo-2007.tgz ./
What worked for me was to remove the $.
tar xvzf /(myfolder)/zoneinfo-2007.tgz ./
I should have copied and pasted the commands, while I was at it, because I spent a while down a dead end by missing the space before ./ at the end of that. wink I think the font in the FAQ threw me off.

In all, a bit of fun for me and some updated files for the empeg. Thanks again!