Tuner & date

Posted by: mdavey

Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 07:58

Hi,

Does any part of the Empeg (including hijack) software use the time and date information from FM broadcasts to correct the date on the Empeg?

If so, how is it done?
Posted by: tfabris

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 12:08

No. The only part of the empeg that uses time information from the radio is the "Info: Radio" screen, and that gets it from the FM-RDS data stream, not the other FM radio time that your VCR uses to set its clock.

More information here.
Posted by: tman

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 13:19

Don't know about the US but over here the VCRs that have that ability just get it from the teletext stream and not some FM radio signal...
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 13:25

That's the way my VCRs work. It's usually on the PSB station.
Posted by: robricc

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 13:41

That's the only way I've ever seen a VCR get its time automatically.

Don't devices that set their time over radio waves use shortwave and not FM anyway? I have a watch that does that.
Posted by: wfaulk

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 13:50

Well, WWVB runs at 60kHz. I guess that would be longwave, technically.
Posted by: mdavey

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 13:55

Hi,

Thanks for the replies. Yup, RDS clock - that is what I was talking about.

Cheers,
Posted by: tfabris

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 14:20

Um yeah, that's right, that's what I meant. I'd forgotten how VCRs get their time signal. Must have gotten it confused in my head because of the split in VHF tv frequencies between channels 6 and 7. In our area, I can tune my FM radio down to the bottom of its band and get TV channel 6's audio stream, and it also happens that channel 6 is the channel our VCR gets its time clock from.

Anyway, to answer the question definitively: No, the empeg does not set its clock to the RDS time. In the US, this is a good thing because that way your clock isn't as wrong as the RDS clock at most radio stations.
Posted by: Daria

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 15:00

Hm. I guess a ReplayTV gets its time the same way, instead of over the (internet/dialup) when it's confused, because letting it sit for 5 hours with a network and no cable, it still couldn't reset its clock.
Posted by: matthew_k

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 16:06

ReplayTVs only sync once a night, or when you manually tell them to. They do set the clock over the network connection, which causes problems if you want to use your lifetime subscribed unit in vcr mode without any connection.

Matthew
Posted by: mdavey

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 20:47

Quote:

...that way your clock isn't as wrong as the RDS clock at most radio stations.


How wrong is it at most radio stations in the US? If it is very wrong (> a few seconds), that would be easy to handle (just ignore that station). Even better if there are a few stations that are wrong by less than a few seconds, but differ from each other too.
Posted by: tfabris

Re: Tuner & date - 04/10/2004 20:58

I mean that for the one RDS station I can get in my area, the clock is always hours off, as if they never even set the clock or they don't know how to.

Also, when I get the RDS text data from the station, it's frequently corrupted, presumably due to transmission errors, and I'd hate to imagine what that kind of a transmission error would do to the time signal if I were setting my clock by that.
Posted by: mdavey

Re: Tuner & date - 05/10/2004 09:53

Well, there are a couple of options here.

Firstly a program could reject all timestamps that are more than a couple of seconds different to internal time.

Alternatively, if the clock looks like it is keeping good time, just the wrong time you could calculate the initial offset and then subtract the result from every subsequent timestamp received over the air. That would at least stop the Empeg clock from drifting any further.