SWEET! Now I see what you mean about not being able to use an instal kit. The Odyssey is the same way but at least it has a ridge so you can bastardize an install kit for it. I always loved the big obnoxious digital display in the Insight. *thinking* I wonder if I could swap it into my car. Love the amp mount with wiring. And big kudos for Zappa on the stereo. Right now there is a tie for most played on mine between San'Berdino and Muffn Man.