Thanks for the backup Tony. Like I mentioned, I don't have permission to change anything on these machines, but I am trying to make a fuss so that the right people do. Being self trained in computers (only my dad who is a programmer and my old roommate who was a CS and math major taught me stuff - oh, and this board too!) I don't have as much clout as someone who took a 2 week Microsoft cert. course. Even though I warned about something like Nimda hitting us one day.... sigh.