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#13617 - 11/08/2000 14:18 searching and song time
jstrain
enthusiast

Registered: 18/08/1999
Posts: 202
Loc: philadelphia pa
ok, i have a few wishes.

1. i would really like to have an option to have song times count down as well as up. don't know if anyone else likes this, but i like having the song count down towards 0 rather than up.

2. is there any way to backspace when searching for things like artist, song, album, etc? if there is not, it would be pretty useful, especially for those on this board who are spelling challanged. if this is already doable, could someone tell me how?

3. i would love to be able to insert songs into the next playlist entry when searching rather than only append or start a new playlist altogether. sometimes i want to hear a specific song right away, but don't want to start a new playlist just for that song, or have to go to the end of the current playlist to hear it. again, if this is already possible, please yell at me and let me know how to do it.

thanks,

jeremy

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#13618 - 11/08/2000 15:05 Re: searching and song time [Re: jstrain]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
Wishes 1 and 3 have been made before, but they both deserved another mention. I especially want to see number 3.

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#13619 - 12/08/2000 02:58 Re: searching and song time [Re: jstrain]
kds
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Registered: 28/07/2000
Posts: 21
In response to #2:

To backspace while searching use the AM/-/REW button on the remote. Each press will take you one slot back.


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#13620 - 12/08/2000 04:07 Re: searching and song time [Re: kds]
muzza
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Registered: 21/07/1999
Posts: 1765
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...
Ta. I only found that one out. Moments before I was about to post a request for it. Took me a while to come up with tho!

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#13621 - 12/08/2000 04:27 Re: searching and song time [Re: jstrain]
altman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Most of your wishes are in the process of being answered in the next release :)

There's also a new shuffle mode which is wonderful. You'll find out soon :)

Hugo



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#13622 - 12/08/2000 09:43 Re: searching and song time [Re: altman]
GeorgeLSJr
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Registered: 03/09/1999
Posts: 206
Loc: Sayreville, New Jersey USA
Do you realize just how "God-like" you are and the power you guys hold over we lowly peons? They must be loving this!

George
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#13623 - 12/08/2000 10:54 Re: searching and song time [Re: GeorgeLSJr]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
Hey, I've met this guy. He's no God. He's a good engineer and a nice guy.

If he is a God, I didn't know they made 'em that short.

Still, he's got me on pins and needles regarding the new shuffle mode...

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#13624 - 12/08/2000 13:33 Re: searching and song time [Re: tfabris]
alear
enthusiast

Registered: 05/07/2000
Posts: 301
Loc: Montana, USA, Bozeman
The shuffle mode I'd like to see is one that shuffles the artists more than the songs. Ya know, choose a random artist then play all their songs. Or, in the same way shuffle between playlists.

I like shuffle because it lets me randomly hear songs in my rather large data base. But then when I hear an artist I like I have to search for them to play more songs from them.

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#13625 - 12/08/2000 15:10 Re: searching and song time [Re: alear]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
But then when I hear an artist I like I have to search for them to play more songs from them.

Actually, you don't. They added a great feature somewhere around beta 10, called "Tweak Order". This is exactly what you're asking for.

Let's say you're shuffling your whole database and an artist comes on that you like. Press the "2" key on the remote and it'll say "Found Matching Artist". The next song in the list is now by the same artist. Press 2 again, and the next two songs will be by the same artist. Keep pressing 2 each time you want the same artist to play. To actually "see" what it's doing, look at the "Now and Next" screen while you do this.

Assuming the disk drive isn't in the middle of a big read, it'll even do this without interrupting the current song.

There are other number keys on the remote that do similar things:

2: Match artist
3: Match album
5: Match genre
6: Match year
8: Swap the next song with a random one from the current playlist
0: Toggle shuffle play on and off

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#13626 - 12/08/2000 23:25 Re: searching and song time [Re: tfabris]
GeorgeLSJr
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Registered: 03/09/1999
Posts: 206
Loc: Sayreville, New Jersey USA
That's awesome! It's going to take me months (maybe a year or two) to figure out all the features and just how I might use them!

George
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#13627 - 13/08/2000 02:01 Re: searching and song time [Re: altman]
dmz
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Registered: 15/09/1999
Posts: 91
Loc: Pasadena, California, USA
There's also a new shuffle mode which is wonderful. You'll find out soon :)

Speaking of shuffle mode, I have a question/comment about the current one. The "new" (that is, "instant") shuffle works great, but I have a bit of a problem with the user interface. There's the "Shuffle" menu, and when you select the menu, it says "On" if shuffle is currently on, and "Off" if shuffle is off. If you select the "On" or "Off", the entire menu hierarchy disappears and the value is toggled - but you really have no visual feedback that it has been toggled.

If it is going to be the case that selecting this option will result in an instant change with no visible feedback, then it seems to me that the option should reflect what will happen when you select it (something like "Activate" or "Shuffle" when shuffle is currently off, and "Deactivate" or "Unshuffle" when shuffle is currently on). Otherwise, I'd suggest that toggling the option actually toggle it on screen (so you see the word "On" change to "Off", and vice-versa, as in the old shuffle mechanism); or at least, have a text bar at the top of the screen which says "Shuffle is now ON" or something and then fades out or disappears.

I realize this is sort of a nitpicky thing but the new software is so good that most of what's left for me to put on a wish list are nitpicky things... :) Seriously, though, I do think that visual feedback is important in conjunction with functionality like Shuffle mode.





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#13628 - 14/08/2000 17:53 Re: searching and song time [Re: tfabris]
tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5539
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico

2: Match artist
3: Match album
5: Match genre
6: Match year
8: Swap the next song with a random one from the current playlist
0: Toggle shuffle play on and off


Is this sort of information documented anywhere, or are these clever tricks that people have figured out and share only with other people who know the secret handshake?

tanstaafl.

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#13629 - 14/08/2000 18:11 Re: searching and song time [Re: tanstaafl.]
rob
carpal tunnel

Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
It's in the release notes (all downloadable from the web site). This functionality came too late for the current user guide.

Rob



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#13630 - 14/08/2000 23:50 Re: searching and song time [Re: tfabris]
Fogduck
member

Registered: 06/06/2000
Posts: 199
Loc: BC
Hey...is it just a coincidence that the playlist-tweak keys make a 'P' on the remote?

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#13631 - 15/08/2000 10:05 Re: searching and song time [Re: Fogduck]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
Hey...is it just a coincidence that the playlist-tweak keys make a 'P' on the remote?

No, I think it's because I made a very strong case against assigning anything to buttons 1 and 4.

I dunno if that's really why or not. But I was very happy to see that the tweak buttons weren't on 1 and 4.

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