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#184913 - 16/10/2003 17:25 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

The beta team was informed today that the "powers that be" at DNNA / Rio have shelved the concepts of a 40GB Rio Karma and any carrying case for a while. We do not know why this decision was made - hopefully a more "official" announcement will be made eventually.

We have been given permission to pass this along to this and other forums.

I have no other information (NDA or not) to provide on this at this point. As more information is available, I am sure it will be posted.
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#184914 - 16/10/2003 17:29 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
ninti
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
That is bad.

Very, very bad.

And I was getting pretty excited about the Karma too. I really do not want to buy an Ipod.
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#184915 - 16/10/2003 17:32 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: ninti]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
That's the strange thing. I am not sure why this was done.

There is the 20GB unit, and it is Great...

I know. I am the last person to defend less disk space.
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#184916 - 16/10/2003 17:33 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
tman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
That's sucky. I still can't buy the thing though! Somebody please make them release it in the UK!

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#184917 - 16/10/2003 17:51 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
msaeger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
My guesses are:

20GB didn't sell as expected so they are canning the player all together. (I hope this isn't the case)

20GB didn't sell as expected because people are waiting for the 40GB so they are putting the 40GB on hold for a while.

Problems with or getting the 40GB drives.

Problems with the 20GB they want to resolve before making more players.

Hopefully the Karma doesn't end up the the Rio Central
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#184918 - 16/10/2003 18:31 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
I was thinking of cancelling my Karma 40GB order in favor of Nitrus. I guess my decision was made for me.
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#184919 - 16/10/2003 19:10 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: msaeger]
drakino
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Hopefully the Karma doesn't end up the the Rio Central

Ugg. Don't say that. I really want to buy a Karma next spring. But if the support of the product goes the way of the Rio Central or Receiver, then I will have a hard time justifying the cash for one. I know it is somewhat a catch 22 issue, but with DNNA already dropping the 40gb player...

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#184920 - 16/10/2003 19:22 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: msaeger]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
The thing has only been out a few weeks... some stores don't even have it yet. My guess is that its survival will be based on professional reviews and sales during the holiday season. Just a guess.
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#184921 - 16/10/2003 19:27 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
The Circuit City here in Minnetonka, MN just got two 20GB players today.
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#184922 - 16/10/2003 20:21 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: msaeger]
nanook
new poster

Registered: 06/10/2003
Posts: 12
The future of the 40GB Karma is uncertain at at the moment but Rio does plan on releasing a 40GB Karma in the future. This is indeed not the death knell for Karma - the fun has only just begun! Rio will be making an official announcement about exciting plans for the future of Karma soon.

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#184923 - 16/10/2003 20:55 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: nanook]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
The future of the 40GB Karma is uncertain at at the moment but Rio does plan on releasing a 40GB Karma in the future. This is indeed not the death knell for Karma - the fun has only just begun! Rio will be making an official announcement about exciting plans for the future of Karma soon.

Hmmm, I think you have to either de-cloak, put the super-secret Empeg BBS password hash in your post, or provide a link to that official announcement.

North?
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#184924 - 16/10/2003 21:01 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: jimhogan]
SE_Sport_Driver
carpal tunnel

Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
I was wondering if this FAQ entry needed updating...
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#184925 - 16/10/2003 21:02 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
Probably.

I think if you look at nanook's posts it's pretty obvious he or she is an insider.

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#184926 - 16/10/2003 22:33 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: Daria]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
I think if you look at nanook's posts it's pretty obvious he or she is an insider.

Or maybe it's Leo DiCaprio reprising that whole Catch Me If You Can thing! An authoritative impersonator.

I *still* say he gotta use the sekrit passphrase!
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#184927 - 17/10/2003 02:50 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
matthew_k
pooh-bah

Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
Rob kind of implied this at the BBQ on Monday. I didn't want to pass it along as I wasn't sure how public the information was. No one really knows how well the karma is selling though, as it hasn't filled the delivery que, and only a few stores have it in stock. Once you can buy it anywhere anytime, they'll know how many they're actually selling per week. I suspect that for the vast majority of people, the 20GB player is plenty. Since there's no incentives to purchasing the 40 (like getting a dock or remote controll), other than space, they're probably worried about selling enough of them. Or perhaps the HD supplier has 60GB being released any day now. Who knows.

That being said, I got to play with Rob's karma for a bit, and it reaffirmed just how much I need one. The thing is tiny and the firmware is great fun to play with. (and Toby has Big Plans for the visuals)

Matthew

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#184928 - 17/10/2003 05:42 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
CrackersMcCheese
pooh-bah

Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
If true, Karma is dead.

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#184929 - 17/10/2003 06:24 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: msaeger]
TigerJimmy
old hand

Registered: 15/02/2002
Posts: 1049
Matt, we should get together one of these days. I'm in Minneapolis, too.

Jim

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#184930 - 17/10/2003 06:39 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: TigerJimmy]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

I can confirm that nanook is an insider. I fell asleep before the official word on what could be said came out. That person posted for me... Thank you!!!

I am under NDA, so I cannot say anything more about how positive that announcement will be!
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#184931 - 17/10/2003 07:12 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
simspos
enthusiast

Registered: 28/03/2002
Posts: 230
Loc: Dudley, UK
I am under NDA, so I cannot say anything more about how positive that announcement will be!
.......... nice use of the bold font though

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#184932 - 17/10/2003 07:14 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
mschrag
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Registered: 09/09/2000
Posts: 2303
Loc: Richmond, VA
I can assure you that if I wasn't under NDA, I could tell you that Karma's most definitely not dead.

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#184933 - 17/10/2003 07:17 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: mschrag]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
...And I would agree with you, and add that there is nothing further from the truth, if I were not under NDA...
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#184934 - 17/10/2003 07:35 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Boy, you guys are really thaking these NDAs seriously.

Maybe the 40s are being delayed because they're giving them all away to us charter members of the empeg community.
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#184935 - 17/10/2003 07:52 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: wfaulk]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Boy, you guys are really thaking these NDAs seriously.

We have been warned. Well, threatened, technically. In a nice way. Just jokingly. But they are serious. So all we can do is sit back and not say anything...

Maybe the 40s are being delayed because they're giving them all away to us charter members of the empeg community.

That would be nice. Not likely, but nice.
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#184936 - 17/10/2003 07:57 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
furtive
old hand

Registered: 14/08/2001
Posts: 886
Loc: London, UK
I JUST WANT TO BUY ONE IN THE UK

/been down the pub
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#184937 - 17/10/2003 09:19 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
CrackersMcCheese
pooh-bah

Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
Hmmm... could the 40s be delayed as a 60gb is now available? Hmmmm. (Phil hopes)

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#184938 - 17/10/2003 11:59 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: pgrzelak]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31594
Loc: Seattle, WA
I can confirm that nanook is an insider.
/me checks who Nanook is...

Ah, yes. If Nanook says something, listen.
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#184939 - 17/10/2003 17:12 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: furtive]
JaBZ
addict

Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 452
Loc: NZ
I've ordered my 20gb from neutronexpress who show them in stock, with thier hot swap warranty.
International shipping to NZ.

Cheers,
Jai

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#184940 - 17/10/2003 22:13 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: tfabris]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Ah, yes. If Nanook says something, listen.


How do I know you're *really* Tony?
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'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#184941 - 17/10/2003 22:17 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: jimhogan]
JeffS
carpal tunnel

Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
How do I know you're *really* Tony?
Can bots lie?
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#184942 - 17/10/2003 22:23 Re: 40GB player delayed, possibly cancelled [Re: JeffS]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31594
Loc: Seattle, WA
Can bots lie?
Sure, as long as it doesn't conflict with one of the three laws.
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