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#211077 - 25/03/2004 22:51 SCO Death Watch Pool
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
It's not really a pool. It's free. For simplicity's sake, I will put up the prize. 50 USD

The rules:

1) Entries restricted to non-lurking members of the Empeg BBS. You must have at least two posts to this BBS prior to 20:00 hours Pacific Standard Time March 25, 2004.

2) One entry per humanoid. Duplicating entries from alternate BBS IDs such as Jesus Christ or Saddam_Hussein will invalidate any entries from the IDs of their real owners.

3) How to enter: Post your entry here in a response to this message. E-mail a copy of your entry to the e-mail address listed for this BBS ID (jimhogan) with the subject "SCOPOOL" and with your legal name in the body of the message. It will be assumed that the e-mail address is the address to which $50 Paypal will be sent in the event that you are the winner. If you can not accept Paypal, you must include a postal address to which $50 in funds can be sent in the event you win in order for your entry to be valid. There will be no dickering after SCO dies! If you did not provide a valid Paypal e-mail address or valid postal address, the prize will go to the next runner-up!

4) Definition of SCO "death" for the purposes of the contest: You must guess the dates both when SCO share price (listed on NASDAQ under SCOX) will first drop below $5.00 and when it will drop below $1.00. A "perfect" prediction of death would be if you pick both dates exactly for a score of zero (no variation from actual dates of death). and this low score would win.

5) Entries are first-come, first-served. Your entry may not duplicate the dates of any previous entry. Please check your entry after posting and before e-mailing. If Tony or Tony snuck in there with the same dates, go back and edit/adjust your entry!

6) Scoring for imprefect entries: Once the actual dates for $5 and $1 death are known, entries will be assessed additional points as follows: One point for every day (early or late) of variance from the actual $5 day. *Three* points for every day of variance (early or late) from the actual $1 day (on the premise that the $1 day is the more critical indicator of death).

7) Unforseen circumstance will be dealt with at the discretion of the pool manager! If SCO tries some crap like a 1-to-85 split to avoid delisting, well, I'll deal with it and let you know. If the SEC e-mails and threatens to sue me for rigging the market and selling SCO short, well, I can say that I don't own any stock and I'll do the best I can.

8) You may elect a "SCO Lives!" entry (by putting this in the body of your post/e-mail). If, as of March 25, 2005, SCO has not died according to contest criteria, all SCO_Lives! entries will be put in a hat and a $50 winner chosen at randomy by my buddy's 4 year-old son, Fritz.

9) Entries must be logged before 12;00 noon PST on April 1, 2004. If SCOX has dropped below $5 before the April 1 dealine then the $5 scoring will be nullified. If SCOX drops below $1 before the contest deadline then the contest will be aborted in favor of some localized dancing and singing.

Let the entries begin!
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Jim


'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211078 - 25/03/2004 23:39 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
rompel
stranger

Registered: 26/08/2000
Posts: 44
Loc: California
SCO Lives!

Gawd, I hated typing that! But I don't think the stock will drop below $1 until they get creamed in the IBM trial, currently scheduled to begin on 4/11/05. I'd be happy to be wrong, though

--John

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#211079 - 26/03/2004 01:53 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
Darl__McBride
new poster

Registered: 26/03/2004
Posts: 3
Loc: Lindon, Utah
I think that you are mistaken. It is obvious that we own UNIX, Unix, unix, uNiX, *nix and Linux. We intend to aggressively persue users who do not hold the required licenses for our software, and are prepared to litigate where necessary.

We believe that at least 4000 users of these 'empeg' car stereo things owe us $600 each for Linux licensing . If you would all forward us your mailing address so that we can invoice you it would make our lives much simpler.

In addition, we also own FreeBSD, OSX, Beos, Qnx, Windows and Doors. Our legal team is working on the lawsuits as I write. We also believe that any use of glass as a transparent divider infringes on our trade secrets, patents and copyrights, as does any example of a moveable divider. In fact, our ownership claim of Doors extends to any property, tangible or otherwise, that goes by the name of Doors, doors, dOoRs, dOOrs, The Doors etc. That obviously includes the music produced by that band who used our copyright without our permission. As a matter of fact, we own all music. Our legal team is currently notifying all the artists and audiences of music that they must license the right to perform or listen to music from us. We believe that a very reasonable licensing fee of $100 per song will be welcomed by the public.

In the extremely unlikely event that our lawsuit with IBM fails in its first hearing, I'd like to remind you that we own the alphabet, and will license the letters "I", "B" and "M" to them for a suitably large amount. We will also notify the judge that he owes us _lots_ of money for the use of those letters after his name. We will also persue the Federal Reserve Bank for infringing on our trade secrets by distributing letters from the alphabet on millions of pieces of paper without our permission. In fact, by definition, we own all those pieces of paper.

As you can see, we have nothing to fear. SCO will not go bust.
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#211080 - 26/03/2004 03:11 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
Daria
carpal tunnel

Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3927
Loc: Somerville, MA
$5: 4/18/04
$1: 6/7/04

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#211081 - 26/03/2004 03:19 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Daria]
Roger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5567
Loc: London, UK
Er, can we have the dates in ISO8601 format please?
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#211082 - 26/03/2004 03:56 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Daria]
Phil.
pooh-bah

Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2480
$5 2004-04-12
$1 2004-06-18

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#211083 - 26/03/2004 07:54 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - Small Amendments [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
1) It would help if you put your BBS handle in the subject of your e-mail (SCOPOOL - yourhandle) in case there are a lot of entries.

2) Yes, can we use ISO dates to avoid any possible confusion for subsequent entrants? That would be YYYY-MM-DD or thereabouts, eh?

3) I would like to amend the closure to April 1, 2005 -- one year from deadline. This shouldn't affect the first SCO LIVES! entry and has a better ring to it. OK?
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Jim


'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211084 - 26/03/2004 08:38 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
tonyc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
$5: 2004-05-28
$1: 2004-10-01
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#211085 - 26/03/2004 09:42 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - Small Amendments [Re: jimhogan]
Whitey
member

Registered: 09/03/2002
Posts: 178
Loc: Louisiana, USA
$5: 2004-11-02
$1: 2005-01-31
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#211086 - 26/03/2004 13:12 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - Small Amendments [Re: jimhogan]
rompel
stranger

Registered: 26/08/2000
Posts: 44
Loc: California
3) I would like to amend the closure to April 1, 2005 -- one year from deadline. This shouldn't affect the first SCO LIVES! entry and has a better ring to it. OK?
That's fine. I stand by my "SCO Lives!" prediction.

--John



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#211087 - 26/03/2004 14:49 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Darl__McBride]
foxtrot_xray
addict

Registered: 03/03/2002
Posts: 687
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia

In addition, we also own FreeBSD, OSX, Beos, Qnx, Windows and Doors.

Oh, SWEET!! My 'GEOS' Operating system for the C=64 is safe!

Whew.. Was getting worried there..
Me.
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#211088 - 28/03/2004 22:16 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: rompel]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
But I don't think the stock will drop below $1 until they get creamed in the IBM trial, currently scheduled to begin on 4/11/05.

Part of my putting this "pool" out there was to see where people's opinion fell on this. 'Course, unless there are more entries, you may have a lock on the SCO Lives! position!

I also put the pool out there because of my sense that the prospect of a 2005 trial would only help SCO up to a point. I don't think they are going to be seeing any new donations of $50 million, their attempts to extort license fees don't seem to be having much effect. With Boies and Company having a stake in the company, it may be that they can keep valuation higher than it should be, but I don't see how they can keep market price high if the market at large decides that their chances against IBM are zilch.

Anyhow, my impulse to put this prize out there was to increase the fun of watching them go down the drain. They so deserve it. Nothing personal, but I hope you don't win!
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Jim


'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211089 - 29/03/2004 08:58 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Was there something that inspired you to post this? Some important revelation in the case that I missed?
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#211090 - 29/03/2004 10:17 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: wfaulk]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Was there something that inspired you to post this? Some important revelation in the case that I missed?

Not *really*. I am not a business major nor a follower of Wall Street. I have, from time to time, though, looked up SCO's share price and saw it hit a transient around 8. Then I saw EV1's CEO regretting his decision....and it came to me that SCO was probably circling the drain (IBM lawsuit or no) and wouldn't it be fun to have a morbid SCO pool....

I then thought "Hmmm, organizing a *real* pool where everbody throws in a buck would be a real headache" so I decided to front for the prize. I didn't have $50 million to hand, so cast about for another sum. $5? Naw. $500? Nope. So, $50. I added the "must e-mail me" loop to minimize the chance that anybody would stuff the ballot box.

Yeah, go figure!
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Jim


'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211091 - 30/03/2004 06:44 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
frog51
pooh-bah

Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2089
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
$5 - 2004-07-16
$1 - 2005-02-02
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#211092 - 30/03/2004 06:58 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
JaBZ
addict

Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 452
Loc: NZ
$5 - 2004-10-10
$1 - 2005-01-23

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#211093 - 31/03/2004 21:11 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
ashmoore
addict

Registered: 24/08/1999
Posts: 564
Loc: TX
$5 2004-11-25
$1 2005-03-13

As SCO drops, Novell just keeps climbing
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#211094 - 01/04/2004 12:02 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Approximately 2 hours to the closing of the "pool". Our one "SCO Lives!" entry has no competition. At least one entry didn't observe the rules re: e-mail. I have e-mail from:

rompel
philip_ohare
whitey
frog51

(unless other e-mails got killed by spamassasin for some reason).

All of the few posted entries to date are from well-known BBS-ers, so I am not going to sweat the e-mail unless there are last-minute entries from less-well-know persons. To make it unambiguous, though, an e-mail would be good, lest I bbrated for changing the rules. How about by end of April 1 in the time zone of your choice?

Jim

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'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211095 - 01/04/2004 21:40 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
genixia
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
$5 2004-08-25
$1 2004-08-25
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#211096 - 02/04/2004 06:56 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
tms13
old hand

Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
In reply to:

Entries must be logged before 12;00 noon PST on April 1, 2004


Seems I picked the wrong week to go on holiday...

(FWIW, I would have submitted a "SCO Lives!" entry - not because I believe it, but the chance of financial recompense would have sweetened the injustice of it)
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#211097 - 04/04/2004 06:58 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
JaBZ
addict

Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 452
Loc: NZ
Hmmm i did send an email, although it may have been html format...
I sent another in plain text even tho it's too late..

cheers,
Jaidev

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#211098 - 05/04/2004 20:08 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: JaBZ]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
I sent another in plain text even tho it's too late..

Fear not. All entries posted to this thead are A-OK.

SCOX at 10 bucks today. One person has a lock on the "rebuttal" position (SCO remains over $1 until 4/1/2005).

Most interesting entry is genixia's. He gets perfect score if SCO drops from 5.0+ to < 1.0 in a single day. Maybe he knows something about when SCO and other companies announce quarterly results and have their chats with Wall Street analysts....!
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Jim


'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211099 - 05/04/2004 20:50 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
JaBZ
addict

Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 452
Loc: NZ
Most interesting entry is genixia's. He gets perfect score if SCO drops from 5.0+ to < 1.0 in a single day. Maybe he knows something about when SCO and other companies announce quarterly results and have their chats with Wall Street analysts

Yea, he's guilty insider trading.....

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#211100 - 05/04/2004 22:27 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
genixia
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
They're betting the farm on their legal claims, and the stocks been shorted to the point of a squeeze. When they go down it's going to be fast.
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#211101 - 07/04/2004 21:40 SCO - Village of the Damned [Re: genixia]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
When they go down it's going to be fast.

Can't disagree with that analysis at all. Yeah, I wonder what earnings report will precipitate the meltdown (but I don't know enough about that stuff...)

Not worth a new thread, but I just stumbled across this press release. What a hoot! A SCO Forum 2004 in Vegas.? I mean, IT folks are great at convincing management that "I really need to attend Goatfuck 2004 in order to stay current." (or bullshit to that effect), but SCO Forum 2004??? I mean, who would be caught dead wandering around the SCO Village of the Damned in a polyester leisure suit?

I am half tempted to go to Vegas to look!
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'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211102 - 07/04/2004 22:06 Re: SCO - Village of the Damned [Re: jimhogan]
tonyc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Let's all go and make an empeg meet out of it. We can crash the party and cause a big ruckus, while showing off our empegs that we definitely haven't paid $699 to run Linux on.

Come on, let's do it!
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my empeg stuff

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#211103 - 07/04/2004 22:24 Re: SCO - Village of the Damned [Re: tonyc]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Let's all go and make an empeg meet out of it. We can crash the party and cause a big ruckus, while showing off our empegs that we definitely haven't paid $699 to run Linux on.

Tempt me!

Heh. "The $300 conference fee will be waived for those who stay at the MGM Grand and register for your stay on this web site. "

Is the hotel refundable if SCO tanks first? Pretty sad, actually. look at the current PDF of the conference exhibitor floorplan. It is early, sure, but I want to look in a few months to see if there's anybody listed other than SCO.

I could do that that, though. Wander around the MGM with an international orange "Warning! Unlicensed IP!" T-Shirt on? Sure. Let's talk.
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Jim


'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211104 - 16/04/2004 17:03 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: genixia]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Baystar Pulls Out

$8.32 in after-hours trading.
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Jim


'Tis the exceptional fellow who lies awake at night thinking of his successes.

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#211105 - 17/04/2004 01:31 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
canuckInOR
carpal tunnel

Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3147
Loc: Portland, OR
I saw that... scox made the list of top 20 losers of the day...

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#211106 - 17/04/2004 09:45 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
See, if SCO does die, who's gonna get the UNIX ownership then?
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