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#211137 - 15/11/2004 10:23 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
frog51
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Novell produces 'smoking gun'

Amused me this morning - (I know I'm a few days late, but I was busy all weekend )
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#211138 - 18/02/2005 09:00 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: frog51]
frog51
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Wonder what this will do to SCO's value? Will it drop enough before delisting to bring out a pool winner.
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#211139 - 18/02/2005 11:39 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: frog51]
jimhogan
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Wonder what this will do to SCO's value?

Yep, SCOXE. Dang, gotta fly to Boston today. Have to wait til I get there to see how they fared. The Groklaw thread under delisting has some pretty interesting posts.

April 1 approacheth.
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#211140 - 19/02/2005 04:34 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
JaBZ
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As much as I hate to say it, should there be a TiVo Death Watch Pool.....

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#211141 - 19/02/2005 16:57 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JaBZ]
hybrid8
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I think so. I'd also say that at $300 Million (in today's market place) they're seriously over-valued. An article I just read (like so many others) comments on acquisition, but I believe anyone savvy enough would wait for something closer to a firesale.

As I've said before, TiVo still has a lot going for it that other products don't have, but these features are getting fewer and farther between. They're also fairly simple/trivial features to add to already robust software from NDS and Digeo. A lot of people seem to think TiVo is about "the service" - well, it's not. It's all about "the software." The "service" is just the little myth they use to tie you to a monthly bill. Their major recurring cost is listing data supply - and that's a similar cost for everyone in the industry. Companies that have already rolled this cost into their current non-DVR products, and therefore your cable/satellite bill, can afford to deploy DVRs at significantly lower prices (per month, etc..) I'm not saying they will of course. Most of these companies also won't have imediate control of the software and will have to licence it - but given their customer volumes, their per-unit pricing is sure to be very low. NDS/DirecTV having the same parent likely have the sweetest deal going.

Bruno
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#211142 - 21/02/2005 15:11 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: hybrid8]
wfaulk
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This feels a lot like the MSIE/Netscape wars. One product was (at least initially) markedly better, but the one that was easier for people to get won hands-down. Bad news all over. People just don't care about quality anymore. I long for the days when thing were built to last.
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#211143 - 23/02/2005 16:18 NEED ADVICE! Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
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All,

I wasn't even thinking...If SCOXE gets delisted, how to determine stock price??? Are the other listings legit/transparent/trackable? Usable for this contest/pool? I gather that it is common to delist when price drops below $1, but didn't anticipate this circumstance. If I had, I might have made criteria "less than $1 or delisted". Too late now, though.

I do not see for what reason NASDAQ would be motivated to consider a SCOXE appeal. Why would they want to keep a listing that smells like rotten fish? Doesn't do much to enhance the prestige of NASDAQ.

Anyhow, any sound advice from non-entrant stock market experts appreciated.
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#211144 - 24/02/2005 14:00 Re: NEED ADVICE! Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
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John/Rompel,

Feel free to object, but I am leaning toward using delisting as "dollar day". From what I can see, there is no way to track SCO share price accurately after delisting and the $1 price point was picked in great part because it would have been the point that they would fall off the board from delisting due to low price.

Had I to do it again, I certainly would have put "or delisted" in the rules.

This is much less satisfying to me than watching their share price drop to $0.99, but I have no sway over their auditors. I certainly still think that they are still headed for smoldering cinderdom, and that it won't take as long as you think, but that NASDAQ just won't be our guide anymore to the murky death spiral.

Thoughts?
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#211145 - 15/03/2005 17:11 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JaBZ]
JBjorgen
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Looks like TiVo is partnering with Comcast for now. Maybe that'll delay their death for a while.
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#211146 - 17/03/2005 00:35 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JBjorgen]
jimhogan
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Maybe that'll delay their death for a while.

I sold my Tivo. Therefore they are doomed.

In the Wisdom of Solomon Department, I note that tomorrow is the day of SCOXE's NASDAQ delisting hearing. No 10K filing reported yet, but would I be surprised if they filed 7 minutes before their hearing? No.

Oh, so my wise plan, if they *do* get delisted (since they will drop off the charts): One half to the courageous gent who predicted they would survive until April Fool's Day, and the other half to the closest/winning entry using delisting day as the nominal $1 day.

Solomon, eh?
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#211147 - 17/03/2005 19:36 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JBjorgen]
DWallach
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This says it all:
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Financial terms of the multi-year, non-exclusive deal with the Philadelphia-based Comcast were not disclosed.

The skuttlebutt earlier was that Comcast wanted terms that TiVo found unacceptable. Now, they probably crawled back and got even less. Who knows whether TiVo's going to see much revenue from this. The real question for me, as somebody who really likes my TiVo, is whether this move will lead me to dump my DirecTV if and when I can get better TiVo support with a different platform.

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#211148 - 01/04/2005 20:42 Everybody out of the pool... [Re: jimhogan]
jimhogan
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Well, the date has arrived, the markets have closed, and SCO was even *up* a bit at the end of the day (weird)?

I suppose that this is as good a time as any to tell you all that the pool, the prize -- all of that -- was a practical joke. A hoax, I guess you could say.

Ah, well, thanks for coming!
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#211149 - 01/04/2005 21:48 Re: Everybody out of the pool... [Re: jimhogan]
JBjorgen
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Cheap B*stard!
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#211150 - 01/04/2005 23:18 SCO Lives! [Re: jimhogan]
rompel
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SCO Lives!

I don't think I'd make this bet for another year. Then again, SCO has shown an amazing ability to drag this thing out. They might just make it another year. Let's all hope not!

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I suppose that this is as good a time as any to tell you all that the pool, the prize -- all of that -- was a practical joke. A hoax, I guess you could say.

I suppose you'll be asking PayPal for a refund at some point

Sorry I wasn't paying attention when you wanted to change the rules. Seems they were able to drag things out with NASDAQ too, so the point was moot.

Thanks again for the $50.

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#211151 - 15/07/2005 13:12 Re: SCO Lives! [Re: rompel]
bonzi
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#211152 - 30/06/2006 20:51 Re: SCO Lives! [Re: bonzi]
DLF
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So it's been almost a year now; time to resurrect a SCO thread with this little development.
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#211153 - 13/08/2007 21:09 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
altman
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So how did people do? SCOX is now below $1 quite emphatically (and that makes me very happy, btw)

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#211154 - 13/08/2007 22:56 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: altman]
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How coincidental. We were just talking at lunch about SCO's final crushing defeat and I thought immediately of this old thread.

I didn't do so well with my guesses. I can't believe they drew it out nearly this long. Finally!

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#211155 - 14/08/2007 14:40 Re: SCO Lives! [Re: DLF]
wfaulk
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It still has several claims related to specific code allegedly taken from Unix that were not part of this decision and that will be argued at a trial scheduled for February 2007.

Awesome. I assume that if a trial is set in the past, that means it will never occur.
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#211156 - 15/08/2007 00:06 Re: SCO Lives! [Re: wfaulk]
jimhogan
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Awesome. I assume that if a trial is set in the past, that means it will never occur.

Dunno. Maybe a perfect opportunity for Jean-Claude Van Damme to go back and save the life of a judge or something.

Well, closing at $0.37 US today, looks like SCO's market cap has dropped from about $22 million to ~$8 mill since Friday. Gratifying. I still worry about a UFO landing with 40 tons of gold ingots for Darl (what else hasn't this case seen?) but I'm starting to get comfortable with the notion of SCO's demise.
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#211157 - 15/09/2007 23:45 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: music]
altman
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It's over! (well, hopefully... chapter 11 didn't affect us so much )

SCO Group files for bankruptcy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070914/ap_on_hi_te/sco_group_bankruptcy

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#305494 - 27/12/2007 22:07 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: altman]
music
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Now it's really over.

SCOX was de-listed from the NASDAQ this morning.

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#307265 - 15/02/2008 01:51 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: music]
jimhogan
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But in a move worthy of George Romero:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080214125705140

Of course this is a proposed $1M financing.

And the link through Bill Gate's buddy seems pretty transparent. We here in the U.S.A. will now once again beg to be saved by the EU Commission.
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#307273 - 15/02/2008 08:08 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
julf
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The Axis of Evil does exist after all!

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#307441 - 19/02/2008 15:08 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: julf]
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Wow. Unbelievable. Bill really hates the penguin doesn't he?


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#323407 - 16/06/2009 21:19 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: music]
tman
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This is a really old thread but SCO still refusing to die. Economic downturn and yet there are people out there who think that investing in SCO is a good idea...

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#325496 - 25/08/2009 23:43 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: tman]
jmwking
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They just won't go away:

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/08/25/the-roller-scoaster-continues-fight-with-novell-heads-to-trial/

"In any event, the company got a big boost on Monday when the Tenth Circuit ruled that the company has a right to a jury trial on its claim that it owns the Unix operating system. The ruling reversed a lower-court judge who, in 2007, had granted summary judgment against SCO, in favor of defendant Novell Inc."

-jk

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#325501 - 26/08/2009 03:28 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jmwking]
tonyc
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I look forward to one day seeing my grandchildren update this thread.
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#326847 - 20/10/2009 11:32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: tonyc]
Roger
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#331596 - 31/03/2010 11:33 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: Roger]
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