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#225793 - 04/07/2004 04:02 Car adapter for the Karma?
daPyr0x
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Registered: 14/03/2004
Posts: 43
Well....I think trying to convince Rio to manufacture and sell for a decent price a car adapter for the Karma is more or less a lost cause, I'm resolved to making my own or finding some other way that's cheap. So, I have a few questions...

1st, for the absolute easiest way around this problem, would the Karma (and dock) run off of a 4.5V supply rated at 1A?
2nd, assuming that the first is a no, and 6V would probably be a no, too, how much power (in Amps) would a 5V 3A voltage regulator require? I Can find everything else on the datasheets except that...

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#225794 - 04/07/2004 05:36 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: daPyr0x]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
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how much power (in Amps) would a 5V 3A voltage regulator require? I Can find everything else on the datasheets except that...


If it's a linear power regulator, then 3A -- it just drops Vsupply (12-14.5V in a car, typically) minus Vout (5V in this case) volts across itself, generating (Vsupply-Vout)*Iout watts of heat... (Iout not neccessarily the max (3A) current, but what is actually drawn).

A switching regulator would require at least 15W of input power (5V*3A) if the load actually draws 3A, less if the load draws less. Assuming a supply voltage of 12V that means 15W/12V=1.25A. That is the ideal case, ie if there were no losses. In the real world you'd have a somewhat higher current due to the losses.

Not sure what sort of efficiency numbers you get today for a) cheap or b) good switching supplies, so I can't say how much more current to expect, but a guess is that it's less than 20% extra...

/Michael

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#225795 - 07/07/2004 19:20 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: daPyr0x]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Bit of a blast from the past, but maybe the mp3mobile site might be useful here... the Maxim MAX787 as used on the mp3mobile is ideal for this sort of thing. 5A maximum output, input to 40V.

Just stick a diode in the supply (you can get big negative transients in cars) and use the application circuit from the Maxim datasheet. It's all through hole and pretty hard to get wrong. Heat dissipation is mimimal, especially as the Karma is most likely to be drawing only about 1.5A even when charging.

The inductor should be rated for 2x the max current you're going to draw, so a 3A should be fine.

Hugo

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#225796 - 07/07/2004 20:30 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: daPyr0x]
dewey1973
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Registered: 18/10/2003
Posts: 13
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I'm resolved to making my own or finding some other way that's cheap.


http://forums-riovolution.com/index.php?showtopic=7259

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#225797 - 08/07/2004 05:36 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: dewey1973]
daPyr0x
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Registered: 14/03/2004
Posts: 43
saw that
US only :-(

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#225798 - 08/07/2004 11:15 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: daPyr0x]
phi144
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Registered: 15/02/2002
Posts: 314
Loc: New Hampshire, USA
I may be missing sometning here but why not just use a power inverter with the AC power cord that comes with the dock?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...en&n=507846
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#225799 - 08/07/2004 16:56 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: phi144]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
Major overkill, to convert from 12 volt up to 120 volt just to convert it back down to 5 volt. Not to mention taking up all that space for something that could (if done right) take up very nearly zero space.
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#225800 - 08/07/2004 18:13 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: tfabris]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Are there not suitable digital camera car adapters? I can find some 5V ones by searching but none of them list the max current they can supply. The plug on the Karma is also used by digital cameras from what I remember?

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#225801 - 08/07/2004 18:15 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: tman]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Are there not suitable digital camera car adapters?

Hence dewey1973's link to them on the riovolution boards.
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#225802 - 08/07/2004 18:49 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: tfabris]
phi144
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Registered: 15/02/2002
Posts: 314
Loc: New Hampshire, USA
I happen to like using a power inverter. I have one plug for the Karma and another for something else, like a cell. Works great for my needs. Thats just me though. Just a thought.
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#225803 - 08/07/2004 20:00 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: JBjorgen]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Ah. Didn't click that

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#225804 - 12/07/2004 09:38 Re: Car adapter for the Karma? [Re: daPyr0x]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
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1st, for the absolute easiest way around this problem, would the Karma (and dock) run off of a 4.5V supply rated at 1A?

I've been running the Karma in my wife's car doing precisely this. It both operates and charges perfectly satisfactorily. It's a Sony one from a CD player, I'm not sure of the model number.
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