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#271444 - 07/12/2005 18:41 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: wfaulk]
Redrum
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Registered: 17/01/2003
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. But I just don't understand who's buying any Pontiac or non-compact Chevy or Ford.


I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want a four door. It just comes down to different priorities, budgets and likes, I guess.

I got a Pontiac Grand-Am GT as a rental car a few years ago and it was a blast to drive in CA on some canyon roads.

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#271445 - 07/12/2005 18:44 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: boxer]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Well, just because it's bad one place doesn't make the bad in another place okay. But point taken. Regardless, I certainly don't ever remember any anti-English sentiment in the US during my lifetime. (Well, ISTR there was an episode of The Andy Griffith Show where Ernest T. didn't want to share the drunk tank with an "Englishter" (Bernard Fox), but that's apparently because he was an "Irishter".)
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#271446 - 07/12/2005 18:47 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: rob]
Redrum
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This is the answer to this post ->
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It's just a bit of tongue in cheek racism - most automotive hacks write like that. It's nothing personal.

translated -> British humor we US’ers just don’t get.

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#271447 - 07/12/2005 18:56 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: wfaulk]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
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I certainly don't ever remember any anti-English sentiment in the US during my lifetime.

No, me neither, I always have a great time, but I always feel that I'm being treated as a curiosity, but then I have the same feeling in the UK.!

In the 70's, Mrs.Boxer and I went in to a bank in Valdosta, Florida to cash a cheque: The teller/cashier said: "Could you say that again, hey girls, just come and listen to this accent"!
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#271448 - 07/12/2005 19:01 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: boxer]
wfaulk
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I can assure you that the vast majority of Americans think that most English accents are attractive, though, so I doubt they were making fun of you. Well, most southern English accents, and some urban northern English accents. Though I doubt most people can really peg the differences.
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#271449 - 07/12/2005 19:12 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: boxer]
Redrum
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I think most of us in the US love the UK accent. And the sayings and expressions you guys come up with are great.

I was on a business call with a bird in the UK and she did something wrong and the asked “Oh, have I been naughty?” I thought I was going to lose it. I instantly had this vision of some S&M paddling session.

The one nice thing about that accent is I can understand people from the UK better than many people here. Well, I guess you’re doing it right, after all, you did cook up the language.

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#271450 - 07/12/2005 19:22 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: wfaulk]
tfabris
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Well, most southern English accents, and some urban northern English accents.

Boxer is from Scotland, if I recall correctly? Could be remembering wrong.
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#271451 - 07/12/2005 19:38 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: tfabris]
boxer
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Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Boxer's from Kent, South of London, but has lived in Yorkshire, 200 and something miles North, since the early 70's, that may be just next door to you people, but it's a whole cultural difference here! Scotland is one of my most favourite places, we went three times, last year.
I think that I've missed my own point, which is, that journalists, press or TV, have to hype things up, not that I feel that either of our nations remotely have a problem with each other.
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#271452 - 07/12/2005 20:12 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: wfaulk]
SE_Sport_Driver
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But I just don't understand who's buying any Pontiac or non-compact Chevy or Ford.


I generally agree with you on that with the exception of the new Pontiac Solstice. I do a doulbe take every time I see one. I think GM really took the development of this car seriously. And for $20K, you can't beat it. But, while you and I may agree on most Pontiacs, I know plenty of people who have Grand-Ams and LOVE them simply because of their looks. I've put my foot in my mouth more than once on that topic!
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#271453 - 07/12/2005 20:14 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: wfaulk]
tanstaafl.
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But I just don't understand who's buying any Pontiac

Perhaps the people who might be considering a Miata/MX5?

Autoweek magazine did a comparison test a couple weeks ago, and the results were.... surprising.

If you don't want to wade through the entire article, the closing paragraph has the gist of it:

But with all things considered, three factors weigh heavily in favor of the Solstice: fresh, good looks, better on-road ride and handling, and superior driving comfort. While we would be happy with either in our garage, for this test the Pontiac Solstice is our pick.



For Pontiac to have come up with a first generation car that can go toe to toe with the until now undisputed leader in the category is pretty impressive.

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#271454 - 07/12/2005 20:35 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
TigerJimmy
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Registered: 15/02/2002
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I don't just haul stuff, I haul a LOT of stuff. And I need an open top to do it. I have forklifts drop cubes of masonry block, ceramic tile, scaffolding, etc into my bed. I need an open top to do that.


Can't beat a pickup or flat-bet truck for that.

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Those vans seem like they'd be perfect for our plumbers, electricans and the like.


That's it exactly. I talked to a hardwood flooring guy who switched from 1 ton GMC vans to the Sprinter, and he ranted an raved about how great it was and how much money he was saving on fuel. Its a great candidate for ambulances, too. I talked to a Sprinter paramedic unit and they said it took some getting used to because its quite a bit narrower than the boxes they put on the back of trucks.

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I wonder if they're offered in AWD. Many of the construction sites are so muddy that you need 4x4 to not get stuck.


I believe they are RWD only. At least, they were when I went to test drive one a couple of years ago.

Jim

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#271455 - 07/12/2005 23:04 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: Redrum]
g_attrill
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Registered: 14/04/2002
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Loc: Hants, UK
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I think most of us in the US love the UK accent. And the sayings and expressions you guys come up with are great.

The nuances of language can catch you out.

There was a letter in the paper a few weeks back - a lady was in Australia and met the local rugby team just as they were leaving for a match - she said to them "well we're all rooting for you" (meaning, in a way "we're supporting you"). They replied "thanks but we can manage that ourselves!", leaving her wondering what "rooting" meant in Oz. I didn't know either until I looked it up

Gareth

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#271456 - 07/12/2005 23:20 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: TigerJimmy]
g_attrill
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Loc: Hants, UK
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I talked to a Sprinter paramedic unit and they said it took some getting used to because its quite a bit narrower than the boxes they put on the back of trucks.

The Sprinters are popular as ambulances in the UK because they are damned quick, that's why they are also popular with parcel couriers!

The standard ambulance used to be a Ford Transit or LDV with a fibreglass rear (like this) and powered by a Rover V8 (derived from a Buick design).

Several ambulance services have tried a right hand drive Chevy Blazer (part-made in Australia) with a Wheeled Coach box rear (like this, but they found as well as costing a fortune to run the gearboxes used to blow up quite often, especially in hilly areas.

However they liked the box rear because as well as having more room it was stronger and therefore safer in a crash, so quite a few services seem to be buying Sprinters with a separate box rear, eg. London like this

Gareth

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#271457 - 08/12/2005 13:51 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: tanstaafl.]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I knew I should have mentioned the Solstice. It does look pretty nice.
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#271458 - 08/12/2005 14:19 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: wfaulk]
andy
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Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
Somewhat ironically the Solstice was designed by a UK designer and intended to be sold in the UK as well as US/Rest of Europe.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/driving-impressions-2005/P/pontiac/solstice05-.html
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#271459 - 08/12/2005 14:46 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: andy]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
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That makes sense. I don't think there's really much style to be found the greater Detroit metro area.

-Zeke
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#271460 - 08/12/2005 18:11 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: Ezekiel]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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That makes sense. I don't think there's really much style to be found the greater Detroit metro area.

-Zeke


Excuse me?
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#271461 - 08/12/2005 18:30 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: andy]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
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I don't really see how the XC70 is comparable to the WRX. It is 200kg heavier, which would explain why it is 3.5 seconds slower to sixty.

I agree, they are quite different beasts, but we were simply talking strong(ish) 4x4 non-SUVs.
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#271462 - 08/12/2005 18:41 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: Ezekiel]
wfaulk
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Actually, there's a lot of style in the greater Detroit metro area (see Bloomfield Hills, Grosse Point, etc.). It's the incorporated area that's lacking in so many ways.
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#271463 - 08/12/2005 18:42 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
bonzi
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In '70s and '80 Ford Transit van was legendary among "guest workers" returning after a few year stint at German construction sites to start a small business of their own. Or you could see them overflowing with Turkish families driving Ruhr-Anatolia non-stop.
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#271464 - 08/12/2005 19:29 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: Ezekiel]
tonyc
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"Take him to Detroit!
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#271465 - 08/12/2005 19:47 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: tonyc]
Robotic
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wav file!
http://members.tripod.com/~JB5353/kfm/kfm.html
8th down from the top.
Shucks- I woulda linked it directly, but I couldn't.
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#271466 - 08/12/2005 22:55 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: Robotic]
SE_Sport_Driver
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http://members.tripod.com/~JB5353/kfm/detroit.wav

LOL, I need to get this movie! I've never heard of it before!
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#271467 - 09/12/2005 00:17 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: tonyc]
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Funniest. Movie. Evar.

/goes to Amazon to order
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#271468 - 09/12/2005 02:59 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
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Loc: NH USA
Present company excepted, of course!

-Zeke

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#271469 - 09/12/2005 10:00 Re: Are most British car reviews this pompous? [Re: g_attrill]
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