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#280431 - 08/08/2006 03:02 Re: Best videos. [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
gbeer
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#280432 - 08/08/2006 10:55 Re: Best videos. [Re: gbeer]
Dignan
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http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/08/bump_keying.html

Yeah, that was on Engadget yesterday. Scary stuff! Time to get electronic locks...
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#280433 - 08/08/2006 18:22 Re: Best videos. [Re: jbauer]
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#280434 - 08/08/2006 18:29 Re: Best videos. [Re: Dignan]
tfabris
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Yeah, that was on Engadget yesterday. Scary stuff! Time to get electronic locks...


Naw, just get Medeco brand locks.
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#280435 - 08/08/2006 18:53 Re: Best videos. [Re: Dignan]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
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At Defcon this year an 11 year old girl managed to bump an "impregnable" lock from the top American manufacturer in under a minute.

Awesome!
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#280436 - 08/08/2006 19:00 Re: Best videos. [Re: tfabris]
lastdan
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Registered: 31/05/2002
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anyone know what 'bumping' a lock is?

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#280437 - 08/08/2006 19:03 Re: Best videos. [Re: Dignan]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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That's basically the same technique used by automatic lockpickers, though this way is cheaper, doesn't require you obtain restricted products, and also works with drilled-key locks.
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#280438 - 08/08/2006 19:03 Re: Best videos. [Re: lastdan]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
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anyone know what 'bumping' a lock is?


Just scroll up to Dignan's video link above.

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#280439 - 08/08/2006 19:13 Re: Best videos. [Re: mlord]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
gbeer's, even.

And, to add additional information, basically what happens is that you create a key where all of the points are drilled to their lowest settings, while leaving the humps between them. Push the key in until it's one before the last position. (You know how when you put a key in a lock, it has a few disinct places where it's wants to rest? The last one of those before it's fully inserted.) Then bump the key fully in while turning the key. It seems from some of the clips that you can bump it in the right direction so that the bump itself turns the key.

What happens is that the humps between the key's positions push the pins up very quickly, and that causes the driver pins to fly up away from the key pins. This creates a large gap between them, which means that there is a significant period of time in which the cylinder can be turned. The diagrams on the Wikipedia entry for pin tumbler locks should help illustrate what I just said.
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#280440 - 13/08/2006 19:28 Re: Best videos. [Re: wfaulk]
AndrewT
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Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
The hicks and the city slickers

I presume that this really took place and wasn't acted, can anyone confirm or deny this?

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#280441 - 14/08/2006 10:51 Re: Best videos. [Re: AndrewT]
Dignan
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I'm trying to decide if the payoff was worth the uneasiness I felt watching the first four minutes.
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#280442 - 14/08/2006 11:09 Re: Best videos. [Re: Dignan]
g_attrill
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I'm trying to decide if the payoff was worth the uneasiness I felt watching the first four minutes.


Me too. I decided it was

I think it was acted though.

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#280443 - 14/08/2006 13:22 Re: Best videos. [Re: Dignan]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
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Loc: Seattle transplant
I got to the 1:40 mark and gave up. It doesn't get good until 4 minutes have gone by??
Somebody needs to fire the screenwriter.
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#280444 - 14/08/2006 14:24 Re: Best videos. [Re: Robotic]
petteri
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I think I heard something about them being in Texas? Sounded like a Canadian accent though....

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#280445 - 14/08/2006 14:24 Re: Best videos. [Re: Robotic]
Dignan
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I got to the 1:40 mark and gave up. It doesn't get good until 4 minutes have gone by??
Somebody needs to fire the screenwriter.

It would be easier to watch if they didn't disable the slider. That's one of the most annoying streaming video habits...
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#280446 - 14/08/2006 16:57 Re: Best videos. [Re: petteri]
drakino
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From the comments on digg, several people spotted Canadian street signs in the video.

Any true hick in the US would be driving an American truck, and the video had them in a Toyota truck. I was reminded of that fact when I moved to Texas.

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#280447 - 14/08/2006 20:33 Re: Best videos. [Re: jbauer]
g_attrill
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Registered: 14/04/2002
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It's been on the news, but "Peter" the pensioner's videos are worth a watch, start at the bottom "first try" (702,000 views!):

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=geriatric1927

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#280448 - 14/08/2006 20:45 Re: Best videos. [Re: g_attrill]
CrackersMcCheese
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He's great!!!

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#280449 - 14/08/2006 21:02 Re: Best videos. [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
g_attrill
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Posts: 1172
Loc: Hants, UK
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He's great!!!


I could see him presenting a Sunday evening history/technology show for pensioners on BBC2!

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#280450 - 18/08/2006 18:39 Re: Best videos. [Re: jbauer]
ithoughti
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Registered: 17/07/2001
Posts: 721
Loc: Boston, MA USA
Here is my all time favorite Daily Show clip:

All The President's Menus

Keep in mind that the Supreme Court Apointment hearings/debates were going on at the time this was aired.
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#280451 - 20/08/2006 11:59 Re: Best videos. [Re: ithoughti]
Schido
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An opensource movie, also in HD:

http://www.elephantsdream.org/
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#280452 - 21/08/2006 14:12 Re: Best videos. [Re: Schido]
Happy Birthday BAKup
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Well, I can't say this is anything near a "Best" video, but I do have to say that I laughed until I cried.

Worst. Cover. Evar.
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#280453 - 21/08/2006 14:38 Re: Best videos. [Re: BAKup]
Dignan
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Well, I can't say this is anything near a "Best" video, but I do have to say that I laughed until I cried.

Worst. Cover. Evar.

Oh....wow....
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#280454 - 22/08/2006 11:34 Re: Best videos. [Re: time]
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#280455 - 22/08/2006 13:03 Re: Best videos. [Re: Cybjorg]
Dignan
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Diet Coke + Mentos...ingested

I'm wondering if this guy is actually experiencing anything out of the ordinary, or if he's just acting for the camera (sorry, he seems the type).

Besides, if he had watched the Mythbusters, he would have learned that all he needed to do was swallow a couple of them whole, then drink the diet coke. I think chewing them would lessen the reaction.
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#280456 - 22/08/2006 14:01 Re: Best videos. [Re: Dignan]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
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I'm wondering if this guy is actually experiencing anything out of the ordinary, or if he's just acting for the camera (sorry, he seems the type).

Besides, if he had watched the Mythbusters, he would have learned that all he needed to do was swallow a couple of them whole, then drink the diet coke. I think chewing them would lessen the reaction.


On Mythbusters Jamie didn't swallow the Mentos, he just put them in his mouth. If the guy on YouTube swallowed some of the chewed Mentos and then managed to swallow some Coke then he might well have been suffering some discomfort.

He was probably just acting up though...
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#280457 - 22/08/2006 14:31 Re: Best videos. [Re: tfabris]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
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Yeah, that was on Engadget yesterday. Scary stuff! Time to get electronic locks...


Naw, just get Medeco brand locks.


I just bought some "bump keys" on eBay and will see if they work. I'm going to use them to convince family to get some Medeco locks. It appears that Medeco locks aren't special at all - it's the keys that are. Only authorized dealers can order the blanks or copy them. I wonder how long before a knock-off blank appears?
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#280458 - 22/08/2006 15:12 Re: Best videos. [Re: andy]
Robotic
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He was probably just acting up though...


Didn't they also say that the orange ones don't do anything?
That's all I saw him eating.
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#280459 - 22/08/2006 15:27 Re: Best videos. [Re: Robotic]
andy
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Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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Didn't they also say that the orange ones don't do anything?
That's all I saw him eating.


They didn't work because of their waxy coating, by chewing them he would have broken up the coating.
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#280460 - 22/08/2006 15:46 Re: Best videos. [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
wfaulk
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It's pretty easy to get your hands on a Medeco key. You don't need a blank, just any key, including one of the dozens of duplicates most building managers have. You'd just have to drill down further.

That said, I believe that Medeco locks are different in that two mechanisms have to be unlocked at the same time, namely the key has to be fully inserted before the traditional locking mechanism will operate, which doesn't make it unable to be bumped, but does make it more difficult.
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