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#317054 - 08/12/2008 03:07 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
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Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: burdell1
lso, i tried building the computer outside the case, and it still does the same thing. However, if I do it that way, does it matter that the power switch isn't hooked up?

As Tony said, YES it matters. The case front-panel power switch is REQUIRED to get it working.

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#317055 - 08/12/2008 07:15 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: mlord]
Roger
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Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: mlord
As Tony said, YES it matters. The case front-panel power switch is REQUIRED to get it working.


But it doesn't actually have to be a *switch*. Simply briefly short the appropriate pins on the motherboard with something suitable. I use fine-pointed steel tweezers.
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#317056 - 08/12/2008 12:35 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: Roger]
burdell1
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 931
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
it seems that when i hook up the switch...it really has no effect...it (the heatsink fan) keeps turning on and running for a little while..stops then the fan starts again...i tried hooking up the monitor cable again, but there is no output....

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#317057 - 08/12/2008 13:26 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
Tim
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Originally Posted By: burdell1
it seems that when i hook up the switch...it really has no effect...it (the heatsink fan) keeps turning on and running for a little while..stops then the fan starts again...i tried hooking up the monitor cable again, but there is no output....

Is there any beeping? Most motherboards (maybe it is the BIOS?) have a series of error codes they make known through a series of beeps when the video output isn't available. I honestly don't remember if it is through an onboard speaker or if it needs to be hooked up to the case speaker, though.


Edited by Tim (08/12/2008 13:26)
Edit Reason: Grammar

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#317058 - 08/12/2008 13:27 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: Tim]
burdell1
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Registered: 14/01/2002
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
it does have an on-board speaker....it used to beep a few times...but hasn't in quite awhile....

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#317059 - 08/12/2008 14:09 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
CrackersMcCheese
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I'd be more concerned just now about the sparks you saw

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#317060 - 08/12/2008 14:11 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
burdell1
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
i am actually.....has anyone seen anything like that before?

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#317063 - 08/12/2008 14:42 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4173
Loc: Cambridge, England
Originally Posted By: burdell1
has anyone seen anything like that before?

Only once.

Peter

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#317064 - 08/12/2008 14:46 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: peter]
burdell1
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I'm assuming no, but is there some easy way to find out if the CPU is still working?

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#317067 - 08/12/2008 16:04 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
mlord
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Unplug everything except the CPU, CPU-fan, soft-power switch, and speaker. Remove all expansion cards, keyboards, mice, drives and even the RAM.

Power it on and see if it beeps. Unplug it afterwards.

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#317069 - 08/12/2008 16:29 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: mlord]
burdell1
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I already did that and there is no beeping... frown

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#317244 - 11/12/2008 14:51 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
burdell1
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The fan currently turns on for a little while at first, then shuts off...but now starts up again...then shuts off and keeps doing this until I unplug it. there is no video output while this is going on...what might that mean?

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#317245 - 11/12/2008 15:18 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
Roger
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Originally Posted By: burdell1
The fan currently turns on for a little while at first, then shuts off...but now starts up again...then shuts off and keeps doing this until I unplug it. there is no video output while this is going on...what might that mean?


I fear that it means that you've toasted something. Did you try stripping back to basics and listening out for beeps?
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#317246 - 11/12/2008 15:29 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: Roger]
burdell1
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i did... and there were no beeps....i thought about contacting Intel to see if they would replace it...but i can't find a direct email...however, i would think there would be a way to at least get my old motherboard/cpu to work, but to no avail.

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#317247 - 11/12/2008 15:50 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
StigOE
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Registered: 27/10/2002
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Normally when you see sparks coming from things, that's not a good sign... Do you have another fan you could connect up instead of the CPU fan, just to rule out a fan problem?

Stig

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#318323 - 20/01/2009 05:45 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: StigOE]
burdell1
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
ok..through an Intel program at work, I bought a new motherboard and CPU. I put it together before putting in the case, and it seemed to work. When I put it in the case, then it wouldn't work. So I figured it was a short. So i unscrewed the screws and then just tried a few at a time. Then...a little puff of smoke near where the battery is.....argh!! then i take out the screws...then it seems to work (although i haven't tried hooking up the hard drives or video card yet. then i tried screwing in the screws again.....smoke and i can see the one of the circuit board 'lines' getting very red and then the fan stopped. What might be causing this short? it seems that where the connections are in the back, that part of the motherboard has to be slightly elevated where the opposite doesn't. might it be the type of screws that I am using that is causing this short?

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#318325 - 20/01/2009 09:25 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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Check that you don't have an extra standoff post under the motherboard that doesn't correspond to a mounting point.

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#318329 - 20/01/2009 15:23 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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At this point your motherboard is hosed.
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#318334 - 20/01/2009 23:53 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
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Loc: Manteca, California
Of curiosity, What program was it, you spoke of?
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#319848 - 28/02/2009 01:36 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: gbeer]
burdell1
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
The program is Intel Retail's Edge program. You have to work at a eligible electronics dealer to be involved, however. My motherboard should have been hosed for all practical purposes, but it wasn't. I actually got it to work. However, the reason why it didn't work was for something really, really dumb of me. For the first time (in a very, very long time) I had a new computer case. And i didn't put the little spacers beneath the motherboard. I know, i know that was very stupid. The first time I built a computer awhile back my roommate did most of the work since I didn't have a clue what I was doing...(and obviously haven't gotten much better.)

Speaking of dumb things, I did another one. I have been trying to use one of the partitions of my hard drive to try to run OS X on it (via hackint0sh) and in the process of trying to get that to work, in the BIOS i changed one of the settings to disable the USB ports (stupid, i know.) so now I cannot change it because the keyboard no longer works, there is no PS/2 connector on the motherboard, and i tried to reset bios via the jumper and the CMOS battery but to no avail. Any suggestions? what i will probably have to do is re-flash the bios when I get my new dvd burner, but i thought there might be another way that I'm not thinking of....

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#319849 - 28/02/2009 01:54 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
The cmos reset thing has to work maybe it's a different jumper or something else to reset it. What is the motherboard model ?

Now make sure there aren't any spacers that don't have a screw going into them. Like one under a spot on the motherboard without a hole.
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#319850 - 28/02/2009 01:59 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: msaeger]
burdell1
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
The motherboard model is (intel) dp45sg

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#319866 - 01/03/2009 00:08 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
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I looked thru the manual. There doesn't seem to be a way reset the bios, short of pulling the jumper and reflashing it from a special boot cd.
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#319867 - 01/03/2009 01:31 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: gbeer]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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Originally Posted By: gbeer
I looked thru the manual. There doesn't seem to be a way reset the bios, short of pulling the jumper and reflashing it from a special boot cd.

I assume that where they mention Configure mode on page 54 which automatically enters the menu is what is needed. I'd be surprised if somebody made a motherboard that can't be reset to factory defaults.

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#319868 - 01/03/2009 01:32 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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Originally Posted By: burdell1
And i didn't put the little spacers beneath the motherboard. I know, i know that was very stupid.

You shorted out the motherboard against the tray and it still worked afterwards? o.O

I wouldn't trust that motherboard to be reliable in the long term especially since yo usaid there was a puff of smoke and some PCB lines went bright red...

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#319884 - 01/03/2009 23:19 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: tman]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
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Originally Posted By: tman
Originally Posted By: gbeer
I looked thru the manual. There doesn't seem to be a way reset the bios, short of pulling the jumper and reflashing it from a special boot cd.

I assume that where they mention Configure mode on page 54 which automatically enters the menu is what is needed. I'd be surprised if somebody made a motherboard that can't be reset to factory defaults.

Yeah, I saw that, but this board doesn't seem to allow changing the bios except with a kbd or by reflashing from a boot device.

I agree, It dosen't seem sane that a bios can be set to disable the only on-board means of changing bios configs.
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#319885 - 01/03/2009 23:57 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: gbeer]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Have you tried fiddling with the jumper described on page 54 of the manual?
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#319886 - 02/03/2009 00:03 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: gbeer]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Originally Posted By: gbeer
Yeah, I saw that, but this board doesn't seem to allow changing the bios except with a kbd or by reflashing from a boot device.

Most motherboards won't reset the BIOS settings even if you do reflash it.

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#319901 - 02/03/2009 16:20 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: tman]
burdell1
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 931
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
well..i think it is toast now....i accidently bumped the dvd burner's eject button while flashing the bios for the billionth time and now it does nothing....it will shut off right away and turn back on....

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#319908 - 02/03/2009 22:14 Re: Computer building woes.... [Re: burdell1]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
There should be someway to recover from a bad bios update otherwise you should be able to order a new chip and replace it.
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