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#3783 - 03/03/2000 06:35 2nd Drive
Henno
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Registered: 15/07/1999
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Added a second drive to my empeg last night. This proved to be real easy (20 minute job) with the installation instructions that David Moore keeps here (recommended). Have the first 0.5GB of new MP3s transfered to the new disk and the empeg plays the new songs happily.

Question:
It proved easy to add the disk, but could I ever remove it without crashing the player? How should I go about it, if I ever wanted to do so (may be transfer the disk to a Mark2 ??)

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#3784 - 03/03/2000 08:47 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: Henno]
stig
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Registered: 29/10/1999
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Yes you can remove the 2nd drive without crashing the player
Once you take the disk out, you really should re-sync it with Emplode (or emptool) so that the database is updated with the missing tracks removed.




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#3785 - 04/03/2000 17:14 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: stig]
Henno
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Once you take the disk out, ( . . ) re-sync ( . . ) so that the database is updated with the missing tracks removed.

A feature of database rebuild, isn't it.
Thanks

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#3786 - 06/03/2000 10:41 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: stig]
mac
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Registered: 20/05/1999
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Loc: Cambridge, UK
Removing a second disk may cause problems if the root playlist is stored on the second disk. Before you remove the disk move the files 100, 101, 110 and 111 onto the first disk if they aren't already there. Once you've removed the disk resync with emplode.

You may find that some tracks end up in unattached items if the playlists containing them were on the second disk but the tracks were on the first disk.

It can be done with care :)

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#3787 - 06/03/2000 11:47 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: mac]
Henno
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move the files 100, 101, 110 and 111 onto the first disk if they aren't already there
How do I (Linux illiterate) do that? I guess with something as a PIP command from the command line in Empeg ?

some tracks end up in unattached items if the playlists containing them were on the second disk
That must be due to the benefits of rebuilding the playlists al the time and hoovering (osterizing?) the un-married ones into Unattached.
I appreciate the redundant reliability this offers. Thanks


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#3788 - 07/03/2000 02:25 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: Henno]
stig
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Registered: 29/10/1999
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Loc: Cumbria, UK
At the shell prompt in the developer setup....

mount -n -o remount,rw /drive0
mv /drive1/fids/100 /drive0/fids/100
mv /drive1/fids/101 /drive0/fids/101
mv /drive1/fids/110 /drive0/fids/110
mv /drive1/fids/111 /drive0/fids/111
mount -n -o remount,ro /drive0


The 1st mount command allows you to read-write to the first disk's music partition, the 2nd mount command sets it back to being read-only.
The mv (move) commands moves the files from the 2nd disk to the first.

David


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#3789 - 07/03/2000 03:03 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: stig]
Jazzwire
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Registered: 09/06/1999
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Or replace the first mount command with "rwm" and the second mount command with "rom"
This will mount both Drive0 and Drive1 writable and readonly respectively..

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#3790 - 07/03/2000 08:52 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: Henno]
mac
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I guess with something as a PIP command from the command line in Empeg ?

PIP? Isn't that CP/M? Not that I'm old enough to actually have ever used CP/M though :)

Others have explained how to do this so I won't bother repeating it.



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#3791 - 07/03/2000 09:35 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: mac]
Henno
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PIP? Isn't that CP/M? Not that I'm old enough to actually have ever used CP/M
Yes indeed: PIP was the most important CP/M command -- used for almost anything in the days that unix hadn't been invented yet (actually I'm not totally shure of that) and that on-line meant remote TTY access to PDP6's. You're right: it shows my age :)=

Others have explained how to do this so I won't bother repeating it.
mv /drive1/fids/100 /drive0/fids/100
etc.

I must say much more elegant indeed that the good old PIP command, which might possibly have worked something like this:
pip c:\fids\100 d:\fids\100
It shows the progress made over all these years


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#3792 - 07/03/2000 09:36 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: stig]
Henno
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Thanks, I'll save this securely in case I'll ever need it

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#3793 - 07/03/2000 09:55 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: Henno]
schofiel
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Registered: 25/06/1999
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Blimey Henno, you're bringing up some old memories here. PIP (Peripheral Interface Program) was indeed the general dog's body prog that did everything. I learned this stuff under CP/M 2.1 & 2.2, before I lost the flame with MP/M 3.0 (whooaa - multi-tasking with 3 serial terminals and a 5M Hard disk - no, sorry - Winchester Drive!)



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#3794 - 07/03/2000 12:15 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: schofiel]
Henno
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Blimey you're bringing up some old memories here.

What do you mean good memories? US$ 1100 for a 32k memory upgrade? US$ 1200 (cash and carry) for a floppy drive? Processor upgrade (8080 to Z80) at 6.33 Mhz (all your newbies: note the decimals)? Funny that prices of computer stuff have come down so much, while prices of car radios really soared.

I'd never imagined I would ever slash out US$ 1300 for a high capacity deck to plays copied albums in the car



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#3795 - 07/03/2000 20:00 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: schofiel]
tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
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Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
Well, Rob, if you really miss those good old days that much, I can help you out.

I have and would be willing to sell for a quite reasonable price a fully functional CP/M computer system -- an all-in-one integrated keyboard/monitor/computer system with four (count 'em, four double-density 5.25" floppy drives built in giving a massive storage capacity of 2.88 megabytes all on-line at the same time!. Couple that with the awesome 640 kilobytes of true Random Access Memory, and you would have a killer machine. I'd have to check U.S. export regulations to see if it is allowable to send this kind of high technology overseas to a potentially terrorist nation like the Netherlands, though...

To sweeten the deal, I'll even throw in software, including a vintage edition of Wordstar 3.0 for CP/M. Be advised, though, that Wordstar has told me they are no longer offering technical support for that product.

We all know that this Windows business is just a passing fad, and that before long we'll all be back where we belong, at the good old C:\ > prompt. I'm figuring, why not go even further back to a kindler and gentler time, forget Microsoft and return to the friendly bosom of CP/M. You could get in on the ground floor, beat the rush, be a real industry leader.

How 'bout it? Or should I put it up for auction on ebay instead?

tanstaafl.



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#3796 - 08/03/2000 06:43 Re: 2nd Drive [Re: Henno]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
Yes indeed: PIP was the most important CP/M command -- used for almost anything in the days that unix hadn't been invented
yet (actually I'm not totally shure of that) and that on-line meant remote TTY access to PDP6's. You're right: it shows my age :)=


Oh, yes, UNIX was around in the days on CP/M (the earliest beginnings were, if the memory servers, in 1969, and the first semi-commercial version (text-processing on PDP-11 by Interactive Systems, RIP) in 1977). However, PIP is even older. I met it first in DEC's RT-11, but it might be even more ancient.

And just imagine, there are people here even older than myself

Cheers!

Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Zagreb, Croatia
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