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#167528 - 25/06/2003 10:22 St. Anger
wfaulk
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Has anyone else heard the new Metallica album?

Am I way off or does it really suck? (Keep in mind that I thought the black album was passable and all the stuff past that was pretty bad; the first four were much better.)

It sounds to me like a gradeschool attempt at a parody of thrash with the bizarre addition of semi-crooning lyrics. Oh, and the lyrics are ... silly, which would be fine, except he's trying to be profound, I think.

And Lars is obviously too old to drum like he once did, which is fine, except that they try to cover that up by giving him 10-second solo/fills after which he goes back to regular rock drumming. And his snare sounds like he forgot to tighten the head; it rings at every hit; it's actively tiring to listen to it.

It's just dull when it's not unintentionally funny.

Oh, and to close:
Lunatic tick tick
tick tick tick tock
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#167529 - 25/06/2003 10:28 Re: St. Anger [Re: wfaulk]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
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Wow, are those actual lyrics?

What you've said is pretty much everything I've heard from people I know who are really into them, and from what I've heard. I've also heard that they forgot to put any guitar solos in.

Anyway, if it sucks, I wouldn't expect any more from a band with someone like Lars in it. And weren't they saying that this album was going to show metal which direction it should go in? Yeah, right. They should lose the attitude and make better music.
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#167530 - 25/06/2003 10:29 Re: St. Anger [Re: wfaulk]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
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I've given up on Metallica since the black album. They're one of those acts I've already filed in my "used to rock, but will never rock again" category. That's the good thing about records, in my empeg, Metallica always rocks, because I don't have any of their newer stuff on it.
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#167531 - 25/06/2003 10:31 Re: St. Anger [Re: wfaulk]
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Registered: 24/08/1999
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Loc: TX
I found it out on usenet a few weeks ago to see if I wanted to get it. I am glad I didn't waste my money, the downloaded version only lasted the day before I deleted the darn thing.
I got driven mad by that stupid drum sound. It really does sound like Lars has forgotten to tune his kit.
It doesn't seem to appeal to either the pre or post black album fans.

Most peculiar.
Even Garage Inc was better than this rubbish.
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#167532 - 25/06/2003 10:35 Re: St. Anger [Re: Dignan]
wfaulk
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Those are actual lyrics from the track ``Lunatic''. In fact, they're the chorus, and variations are worked into the verses at least once.

I'd like to qualify that I didn't actually buy this album. I borrowed it from a coworker. Honestly, I considered making copies and handing them out on the streets. Maybe just leave some labelled at free newspaper stands. But I don't have the time or energy to do that, so I thought I'd just anti-promote it.

Not that I'm lying about how bad it is. (Honestly, I've only gotten about halfway through it. I can only take about two or three songs at a time. I suppose the latter half of the album could redeem itself somehow, but I doubt it.)
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#167533 - 25/06/2003 10:35 Re: St. Anger [Re: wfaulk]
robricc
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I heard it because a friend actually traded real US dollars for it! In my opinion, worst... transaction... ever.
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#167534 - 25/06/2003 10:36 Re: St. Anger [Re: robricc]
wfaulk
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That's enough to make you reconsider the appelation ``friend''. Maybe he should now just be an ``acquaintance''.
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#167535 - 25/06/2003 10:38 Re: St. Anger [Re: robricc]
ashmoore
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Even the usenet posts are saying don't bother even downloading it, its not worth it.

Pretty bad if free is too high a price to pay.
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#167536 - 25/06/2003 10:39 Re: St. Anger [Re: wfaulk]
robricc
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Thankfully, he actually admits it sucks.

But, because he actually paid for it, he is listening to it more than normal. He's doing that just incase he is missing something and it starts to sound good after the 20th time around.
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#167537 - 25/06/2003 10:40 Re: St. Anger [Re: robricc]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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You know, I've had a couple ablums like that. This isn't going to be one of them, but I've had a couple albums that turned around once I ``got it''.
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#167538 - 25/06/2003 10:50 Re: St. Anger [Re: ashmoore]
JeffS
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Even the usenet posts are saying don't bother even downloading it, its not worth it.
Hey, they finally won their campaign against illegal downloads!
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#167539 - 25/06/2003 10:51 Re: St. Anger [Re: JeffS]
robricc
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LOL
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#167540 - 25/06/2003 10:53 Re: St. Anger [Re: JeffS]
ashmoore
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I can see why, then people like me would DL it, find out that it sucks, then delete the files and never by the CD.

The weird thing is, I like the albums prior to black as well as post black, but I still hate this one.
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#167541 - 25/06/2003 11:17 Re: St. Anger [Re: ashmoore]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
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Loc: SLC, UT, USA
t sounds to me like a gradeschool attempt at a parody of thrash with the bizarre addition of semi-crooning lyrics
That's almost exactly what i told my buds after i downloaded it, then quickly deleted it. I SERIOUSLY thought that some kid had renamed MP3's of his garage death metal/thrash band to Metallica so people would download it. I kid you not.
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#167542 - 25/06/2003 11:31 Re: St. Anger [Re: loren]
ashmoore
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Thats what I thought !
I DLed it twice from two sources to be sure. It didn't stop me cleaning that junk off my drive though.
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#167543 - 25/06/2003 11:49 Re: St. Anger [Re: ashmoore]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Apparently Rolling Stone is on Metallica's record company's payroll...

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/cd/review.asp?aid=2046700
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#167544 - 25/06/2003 12:05 Re: St. Anger [Re: tonyc]
Dignan
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Apparently Allmusic guide (though without those hideous Army adverts), isn't much better.

However, I've never read a review by that guy before. I don't know, maybe he is their metal person, but I expected a review from that Stephen Thomas Erlewine guy.
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#167545 - 25/06/2003 12:10 Re: St. Anger [Re: Dignan]
tonyc
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Haha, and according to AllMusic, there are 22 tracks, 11 of which have track times, and 11 of which are, apparently, infinitely long. I knew that new CD formats were being worked on, but I didn't know the technology had gotten that far.
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#167546 - 25/06/2003 12:17 Re: St. Anger [Re: Dignan]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I seldom agree with AMG reviews anyway. Even in bands I like, albums are often ranked in the opposite order I would rank them.
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#167547 - 25/06/2003 13:08 Re: St. Anger [Re: wfaulk]
Dignan
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Actually, the one thing that I dislike about AMG is that there is an obvious and definite disconnect between their reviews and their star ratings. Sometimes they even change the star ratings! In fact, I myself got them to change one:

If you look at the reviews of the two Blind Melon albums, you'll see they are written by the same person. In the past, the debut album was rated 4 stars, and Soup was rated 3 (which upset me in its self). This is despite these two lines in the Soup review:
"While it did not match the commercial success of the debut, Soup proved to be a challenging, gripping record that is just as strong and perhaps even more rewarding"
and
"Soup is one of the most underrated and overlooked great rock albums of the '90s"
I wrote to them and about a week later I noticed that both albums were magically rated 4 stars.

I still love the web site, though
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#167548 - 25/06/2003 13:13 Re: St. Anger [Re: Dignan]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Oh, it's a wonderful source for raw information. It's just the reviews and ratings that bother me.
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#167549 - 25/06/2003 19:12 Re: St. Anger [Re: wfaulk]
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Registered: 06/03/2001
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Loc: Aurora, CO
Has anyone else heard the new Metallica album?


Yeah, the consensus from anyone with a brain is this is the worst album yet. It makes Load and ReLoad look good. I just keep thinking that Cliff Burton is rolling over in his grave. I could not see him playing the "new" Metallica stuff. When I heard St. Anger had already gone multi-platinum, I was worried that the state of music for our dumbed-down society is just going to continue. Thankfully, it's nice to see some of the bands haven't forgotten their metal roots. The new albums from Anthrax, Black Label Society (Zakk Wylde), and Type O Negative make me easily forget about Lars' 3-ring circus.

Plus, I go watch these if my St. Anger rises.
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#167550 - 27/06/2003 04:58 Re: St. Anger [Re: TheRhino]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
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Well, I am a die hard Metallica fan - loved everything up to 'Black' and really enjoyed the S&M album but this just sucks so badly.

I had asked my wife to get it for me for my birthday, but thought I'd check out some tracks first as the reviews were so bad.

I deleted them. I have no interest in wasting my empeg space with this trash!

<sigh>

Luckily there are various bands carrying on the torch Metallica lit
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#167551 - 27/06/2003 06:22 Re: St. Anger [Re: frog51]
tonyc
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Luckily there are various bands carrying on the torch Metallica lit
Like who?
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#167552 - 27/06/2003 08:02 Re: St. Anger [Re: tonyc]
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There is some true metal stuff out there. Not death metal, nu-metal, rap metal or any of that. Iced Earth comes to mind, as well as the bands I mentioned above. It does seem that some of the bands are falling apart. Pantera broke up, Megadeth, Fear Factory, etc...
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#167553 - 27/06/2003 08:17 Re: St. Anger [Re: TheRhino]
robricc
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I saw Iced Earth once. Great show. They're on Century Media Records. Most bands on the label are 80s-style metal. Nevermore is probably my favorite band on that label. They put on a killer show too.
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#167554 - 27/06/2003 10:20 Re: St. Anger [Re: tonyc]
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Luckily for me, Motorhead are still going
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#167555 - 27/06/2003 10:49 Re: St. Anger [Re: ashmoore]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
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Loc: Sterling, VA
Damn, I had a chance to see Lemmy, but stupid final exams got in the way. Damn school...

"Lemmy is God"
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#167556 - 28/06/2003 08:32 Re: St. Anger [Re: TheRhino]
maurij
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Speaking of Pantera breaking up, anyone hear of Phil Anselmo's new band Down? Actually its not a new band per se, but after pantera Phil joined up with a band called corrosion of conformity in the mid 90s and they've put two albums out since. kind of southern blues rock if such as genre exists. pretty good stuff though.
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#167557 - 28/06/2003 09:21 Re: St. Anger [Re: maurij]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
CoC is from Raleigh! Woo! Woody's folks own one of the local jewelry stores.

Down isn't really CoC, though. It's only got Pepper on it from there. Sure doesn't sound like any of the bands they came from, either.
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