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#241132 - 12/11/2004 01:45 Saving Pvt. Ryan
gbeer
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It's on tonight on ABC. Some of the afiliates don't want to show it. Worried about the FCC maybe fining them in the post Janet Jackson world. It's a problem because, them that license the movie, included terms, requiring it be shown, without having been edited for content.

I say "Good for them!" That movie just wouldn't have the same impact if it was hacked up making it safe for prime time broadcast.
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#241133 - 12/11/2004 02:21 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: gbeer]
Dignan
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You don't think that's a bit violent for prime time? And besides, if you're that concerned about the viewing experience of a movie, why do you watch it on network TV?
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#241134 - 12/11/2004 03:28 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: gbeer]
hybrid8
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I'm watching Canadian TV on Satelite. Normally the ABC affiliate is from Boston, but any Canadian station showing the same thing normally takes over the signal. Tonight, the guide listed Private Ryan, but the screen showed Far and Away.

And no, I don't think the movie is too violent for prime-time network TV. War is violent. It's just typically Corporate-American - it's fine for the country to send someone to die, but the people will just be too offended to see anything that paints even a remotely realistic picture. I suppose we're talking about Disney (ABC) here though...

I also don't know if there's a question about preserving the movie "experience" so much as the integrity of the film and its subject matter. That film, if shown, should not be toned down for any audience. If parents don't want their kids watching it, then watch another channel. Or let the kids go play Doom3 on the computer (they can practice for when the next G-Dubya clone sends them off to war in a few years).

Bruno


Edited by hybrid8 (12/11/2004 03:58)
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#241135 - 12/11/2004 04:41 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: hybrid8]
genixia
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And no, I don't think the movie is too violent for prime-time network TV.

I guess it depends on your definition of prime-time. I personally think that an 8pm start is too early for SPR on a public network. When I first saw SPR it had a profound effect on me - the first 5 minutes alone are horrific enough to disrupt one's thoughts for weeks. I'd hate for anyone under the age of 12 to see those scenes and I don't think that the average parent is keeping track of when SPR is going to be showing on a public network. I doubt that they'd expect something quite so gruesome to be on that early. It's not like some movies where violence occurs well into the film (e.g. Dead Calm) thus giving parents time to recognise it and switch the channel - with SPR it's basically "Look - a calm pleasant scene with an old dude <cut scene> BAM! Body parts flying, blood pouring down a beach etc" right at the beginning.

It's very easy for non-parents to say "Change the channel", but in reality parenthood brings a whole load of competing responsibilities. Sometimes you're juggling so many chores that you just cannot sit and watch television - you trust that at 8pm on public networks your children will find shows that aren't a complete bloodfest.

That being said, I agree with everything else you said and a 9pm start would be less of an issue (incidentally, what time did it start?)
I also think that SPR should be compulsory viewing for any gung-ho macho teen aspiring to a military career.
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#241136 - 12/11/2004 08:44 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: Dignan]
bonzi
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If you think that yanking the film was because of violence, see, for example, here (it's amazing what obscure publications one can find on Google News )

Quote:
"I understand the f-word is used 11 times in the movie,” said Don Carmichael, vice president and general manager of WBAY.
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#241137 - 12/11/2004 09:40 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: bonzi]
peter
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"I understand the f-word is used 11 times in the movie,”

I guess Four Weddings And A Funeral hasn't been on US network television then?

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#241138 - 12/11/2004 10:28 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: peter]
rob
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South Park the Movie? :-)

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#241139 - 12/11/2004 13:10 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: bonzi]
pca
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Registered: 20/07/1999
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Loc: UK
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"I understand the f-word is used 11 times in the movie,&#8221;


Which one, 'Freedom' or 'France' ?

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#241140 - 12/11/2004 14:11 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: peter]
wfaulk
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I guess Four Weddings And A Funeral hasn't been on US network television then?

US networks regularly edit movies to show on TV. Sometimes they change dialog, sometimes they crop scenes, sometimes they just remove scenes altogether. They always pan-and-scan it.

It's just pointless to watch a movie on TV, IMO. It's for the people who can't be bothered to spend $3 on a movie rental, I guess.

I'm sure they've shown Four Weddings and a Funeral, but I'm sure that they changed all the bad words to not-so-bad ones, like "freakin'" and so on.
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#241141 - 12/11/2004 17:24 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: wfaulk]
Dignan
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but I'm sure that they changed all the bad words to not-so-bad ones, like "freakin'" and so on.

Sometimes it's funnier to see the edited movie. My favorite has been Get Shorty. Ray Barbone's dialog is priceless when edited.

"I hear the freakin' smog is the freakin' reason you have such beautiful freakin' sunsets"

And let's not leave out: "freak you, freakball"
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#241142 - 12/11/2004 17:44 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: Dignan]
robricc
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Recently I saw Fargo on A&E or some odd channel. My favorite quote is:

How do you split a car you dummy? With a frozen chainsaw?!
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#241143 - 12/11/2004 18:36 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: robricc]
wfaulk
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My personal favorite is from The Usual Suspects. Unfortunately, I can't remember what it's translated to, but the original line is "Hand me the fucking keys, you fucking cocksucker motherfucker!" They had to be real original to "fix" that many swears, plus keeping the same cadence. It's hysterical. I'll have to listen to the commentary tonight and post the results.
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#241144 - 12/11/2004 19:09 TV Versions of Movies [Re: gbeer]
JeffS
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I'm probably the minority on this, but in general I'd rather see the TV movie versions of things. I tolerate language in movies, but I don't like it. For MOST movies I see, the majority of the sex and language can be cut out, leaving the movie intact (and much more enjoyable for me, though admittedly some of the language dubs are rather silly). For certain movies, however, this simply doesn't work. SPR is one of them; I can't imagine what a "sanitized" version of that would look like.

I've always wondered whey they can't release a separate audio track on the DVDs to let people choose. Usually they've already created them anyway (for TV or airplanes) so all they need is add them as separate audio tracks. Perhaps this is more work than I'd think, or maybe the directors/producers/whoever don't want to release their art differently from how they created it. I don't know, but I think it'd be a cool feature for the minority of us who really don't like language in movies.

On a side note: did you hear about the guy who ran a video store renting “clean” movies where he’d legally purchased them, edited them to get rid of strong language, sex, and violence, and then rent them (clearly marked) to people wanting to see the latest movies but with a “G” rating. I don’t remember all of the details, but I’m pretty sure he got sued by the movie companies. It’s legal to edit a movie, but not to charge for it.

Of course, this guy was asking for it, but I wonder why the movie companies haven’t tried to go after the sector of people who would buy into this kind of thing. Maybe it isn’t big enough, but it seems to me this guy was making a living in a single location doing it (as opposed to the national distribution the movie companies could have).

On a side, side note regarding movies with separate more strongly rated versions, have you ever noticed the "director’s version" (or whatever it is) DVD cover for "The Girl Next Door"? I haven't seen the movie, but I find the cover amusing. It's exactly the same as the cover of the normal version where she is wearing skimpy clothing, but in the special version more of her body is covered by the bar across the center. So on the new cover it shows LESS of her than before, but since you can't see any of her skimpy clothing she looks naked. In this case, it seems, less truly is more!
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#241145 - 12/11/2004 21:47 Re: TV Versions of Movies [Re: JeffS]
pca
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Registered: 20/07/1999
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I tolerate language in movies, but I don't like it.


Personally, I've found language (preferably english) to be fairly essential to my enjoyment of movies (except silent ones, of course)

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#241146 - 13/11/2004 04:01 Re: TV Versions of Movies [Re: pca]
Daria
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I really enjoyed "The Seagull's Laughter" (to use a recent example); It was in Icelandic (but was subtitled). I find that language is incidental to my viewing, but I need subtitles because I'm basically fluent in nothing else

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#241147 - 13/11/2004 10:03 Re: TV Versions of Movies [Re: JeffS]
peter
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I'm probably the minority on this, but in general I'd rather see the TV movie versions of things. I tolerate language in movies, but I don't like it. For MOST movies I see, the majority of the sex and language can be cut out, leaving the movie intact (and much more enjoyable for me, though admittedly some of the language dubs are rather silly). For certain movies, however, this simply doesn't work. SPR is one of them; I can't imagine what a "sanitized" version of that would look like.

Maybe it comes down to how much swearing one perceives as realistic. I guess even someone who isn't effing and blinding the whole time in their own life, recognises that soldiers (Saving Private Ryan) and perhaps also gangsters (Lock Stock And Two Smoking Barrels) are more realistically portrayed if they do swear the whole time.

The reason I brought up Four Weddings And A Funeral when someone mentioned the F-word, is that (at least in the cinema version) the opening scene is of Hugh Grant waking up very late for a wedding he's going to, using the F-word when he realises how late, waking all his friends up, all of whom verbally realise how late they are too, and eventually everyone piles into a car and set off for the wedding. The first few minutes of the film have literally no dialogue except the F-word. Dozens of F-words, in fact. And it works because it's realistic: for once a character in a film is actually saying what you'd (well, I'd) say in the same situation.

And US network television can't just cut the whole scene, because the credits run over it -- so I wonder what they did instead.

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#241148 - 13/11/2004 11:26 Re: TV Versions of Movies [Re: peter]
bonzi
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The reason I brought up Four Weddings And A Funeral when someone mentioned the F-word, is that (at least in the cinema version) the opening scene is of Hugh Grant waking up very late for a wedding he's going to, using the F-word when he realises how late, waking all his friends up, all of whom verbally realise how late they are too, and eventually everyone piles into a car and set off for the wedding. The first few minutes of the film have literally no dialogue except the F-word. Dozens of F-words, in fact. And it works because it's realistic: for once a character in a film is actually saying what you'd (well, I'd) say in the same situation.

And US network television can't just cut the whole scene, because the credits run over it -- so I wonder what they did instead.

Exactly.

I personally use, err, s-word. It's not that Croatian doesn't have plenty of curses, but they are more suitable for verbose outpours (e.g. when you hit you finger when hammering a nail). English ones are nice, short, concise one-sylable words.
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#241149 - 13/11/2004 11:38 Re: TV Versions of Movies [Re: JeffS]
bonzi
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For MOST movies I see, the majority of the sex and language can be cut out, leaving the movie intact (and much more enjoyable for me, though admittedly some of the language dubs are rather silly).

Of course they are silly; their meaning is "this is a placeholder for a profanity that we all know the real character would utter at this point". A non-G-rated movie that loses nothing when 'sanitized' is a bad movie (because a good movie has no non-funcional 'filler' targeted at specific audience, simplistically said).
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#241150 - 14/11/2004 05:46 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: wfaulk]
music
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My personal favorite is from The Usual Suspects.


My all time favorite is from Ghostbusters:

Original dialog:
"Everything was fine with our system until the protection grid was shut off by Dickless here."
"Is this true?"
"Yes, it's true. This man has no dick."

Altered dialog:
"Everything was fine with our system until the protection grid was shut off by Wally Wick."
"Is this true?"
"Yes, it's true. This man is some sort of rodent. I don't know which."

Although, I was completely in awe of the TV dub of Fargo.
They used an enormous number of words starting with F. They must have just opened up the dictionary and gone for it. I was in stitches for quite a while. There were a lot of altered lines just as funny as the "frozen chainsaw" one.
Unfortunately, I can't recall any of them just now.

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#241151 - 14/11/2004 06:17 Re: Saving Pvt. Ryan [Re: music]
Dignan
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To add to the list, a friend of mine is an enormous Kevin Smith fan, and he regularly watches, in addition to his DVD copy, the TV version of Mallrats. Jason Mewes's lines are great. Must have taken forever to edit him down.

My favorite airline edit is when I watched Love Actually on my flight to Europe. They actually managed to take out the entire storyline of the two soft-core porn people. It slipped my mind until the movie was over and I realized that they hadn't shown up yet
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#241152 - 15/11/2004 06:55 Re: TV Versions of Movies [Re: peter]
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The first time I saw Four Weddings was on a flight to Australia. It wasn't until much later I found out the characters weren't saying "Bugger!" at the start of the film.
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