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#243533 - 07/12/2004 12:09 international tritium glowstick source
mtempsch
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anyone know of a merchant offering tritium glowsticks(like these from the Register) for international ordering (or is there a helpful soul out there in the UK? If so let me know where to paypal funds....)
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#243534 - 07/12/2004 12:21 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: mtempsch]
CrackersMcCheese
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Edited by Philip O'Hare (07/12/2004 12:23)

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#243535 - 07/12/2004 12:26 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
mtempsch
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In general yes, but specifically not the glowsticks "Remember, however that we can only ship the Glowring to the UK - sorry to all our radiation-starved international customers. ®"

Probably aginst some IAEA regulation; might be that if you had 10 gzillion of them you could boost a nuculear device to higher yeilds


Edited by mtempsch (07/12/2004 12:31)
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#243536 - 07/12/2004 12:27 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
peter
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Posts: 4174
Loc: Cambridge, England
They don't ship the glowsticks internationally. IIRC it was the IAEA who told them to stop. I don't think you mess with the IAEA.

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#243537 - 07/12/2004 12:31 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: mtempsch]
CrackersMcCheese
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Ahh, I see. Can these things be legal given that they are firing out radiation?

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#243538 - 07/12/2004 13:18 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
mtempsch
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Most likely the actual radiation is caught and transformed to the light seen in something akin to the phosfor layer in a flourescent light. Anyway it's a fairly weak beta emitter, and it doesn't travel far in air, and is shielded by most anything. some interesting reading, pdf.It's long been used for watch/clock handles and weapon sights The people painting the watch handles, licking the brush tip to sharpen it, didn't do to well, but otherwise tritium is fairly harmless as far as radioactive things goes..

Edit: fixed the link -wfaulk


Edited by wfaulk (07/12/2004 13:37)
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#243539 - 07/12/2004 14:16 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: mtempsch]
CrackersMcCheese
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Still... if one were to shatter and the insides inhaled etc, would that not result in beta radiation in the lungs? I'd not like that much.

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#243540 - 07/12/2004 14:41 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
genixia
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Beta radioactive particles in the lungs wouldn't be a major issue (in small quantities) as much of the radiation would have enough energy to escape through the tissue. Alpha particles on the other hand would just get caught.
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#243541 - 07/12/2004 15:41 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: peter]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
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Loc: Croatia
Quote:
They don't ship the glowsticks internationally. IIRC it was the IAEA who told them to stop. I don't think you mess with the IAEA.

Heh, reminds me of an incident in my physicist days: we were working on a project (partially financed from IAEA technical assistance program) to extract uranium from ash produced by a particular coal-fired power station (the coal had something like 10 ppm of uranium in it, ash more around 100), removing sulphur dioxide from the exhaust in the process. I was routinely transporting samples (tens of kilograms) in institute's van or simply in the trunk of my car. That is, untill some environment protection inspector learned why we are transporting them, that is, what we are measuring in the samples. You might guess what came next - special licenses, special truck operated by licensed outrageously expensive company etc. We eneded up installing a portable laboratory in situ.

BTW, local greens raised hell about our project. We just renamed it as 'Removing sulphur dioxide...' etc.

It all came to nothing: the coal mine was closed down as too expensive to develop.

But, greens are dangerous in such occasions, not IAEA
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#243542 - 07/12/2004 20:16 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: bonzi]
g_attrill
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Registered: 14/04/2002
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Loc: Hants, UK
There was an article in the local paper a year back that made me laugh.

Firstly a large front page story about a dawn raid on a local house, dozens of armed police offficers, man dragged out and whisked away, men in white suits come in and strip the house bare. Lots of activity.

Interviews with locals, ranging from "nice chap, helped repair my car once" to "he's a bit weird, keeps himself to himself, doesn't seem to have a job" etc.

Anyway, about a week later they have an interview with him - he was taken to Paddington Green (high security police station in London) and interviewed for a long time, asking about anything and everything. Then they released him and I think he had to beg for a train ticket home.

He said that on return from a coach trip to France a couple of weeks earlier everybody was ordered off and taken away before being let back on a bit later. He suspects there were radiation detectors at the port and the alarms went off. When they didn't find anything they must have done background checks on the passengers and turned up him. Apparently he was an engineer for Boeing and worked on some very sensitive projects in the US for quite a while (hence no job - must have been good money). That was presumably enough for the police! Anyway, must be some red faces from the neighbours when he read the papers...

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#243543 - 07/12/2004 21:00 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: mtempsch]
belezeebub
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Registered: 11/01/2001
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You can get them on Ebay, but would you want something radioactive in your pocket purchase fron an online auction house made by the lowest bidder in a back world country.
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#243544 - 08/12/2004 09:01 Re: international tritium glowstick source [Re: belezeebub]
bonzi
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The professor who taught radiation protection lab I took had this way of putting things in perspective (we were quite uneasy about the souces littering the benches all around): he placed a bag of white, crystaline powder in detection chamber; the counter went wild. What was it? Potasium chloride, containing approximately amount of potasium a person's body (mostly skeleton) contains. What was counted was decay of K-40, a natural isotope of potasium (long-lived beta emiter). The activity in an average person's body is about 5 kBq (not much, but that is within us).
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