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#90757 - 27/04/2002 20:16 Waiting for the next wave
muzza
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Registered: 21/07/1999
Posts: 1765
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...
...when the manufacturers of motherboards, Hard drives and many other peripherals stop using legacy technology. Motherboards that have a number of USB2 & 1394 connectors in place of ATA interfaces, parallel &serial ports etc. It would take several manufacturers to switch simultaneously for anything to really happen.

Wouldn't a 1394 or USB2 based HD be more efficient in controller circuitry anyway? No buffering from parallel to serial to handle.
Drives would be truly hot swapable.
Imagine a RAID array connected via 1394b to the host, each drive has its own 1394 cable to the controller.

Just a thought.
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#90758 - 27/04/2002 20:34 Re: Waiting for the next wave [Re: muzza]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
Well, hard drives are going their own way with modernization. The expensive whizzy drives run Fibre Channel (which you can use to build freaking huge storage-attached-networks), and now they're even talking about iSCSI (that would be the SCSI protocol over IP, I think).

You see, the idea of a legacy-free machine is nifty and all, but then we've all got these legacy devices around. Such as the Empeg with it's serial port that you're required to use for kernel upgrades. Or maybe that old parallel-port based printer you've still got. Of course, you're welcome to buy USB-to-whatever converters, but nonetheless, it's nice to have legacy ports around.

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#90759 - 28/04/2002 07:16 Re: Waiting for the next wave [Re: muzza]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
The ATA standard is evolving into Serial ATA, as 1394 is still better used outside the box. Serial ATA has some nice advantages for home systems, like standard placement of the connectors, meaning ease of having swappable drive bays. (More of a pro use then home, but right now it's not commonplace). Thus, you get a drive, add the rails your case uses to it, and slide it in the drive bay, similar to hot plug SCSI on servers (made easier with the SCA standard, same concept of standard placement on the connector).

A Legacy free system would be awesome. Some people think it would be difficult, but but look at the Mac users and how quickly they did it? Sure, some bought things like USB to serial converters and such, and also USB floppies, but when you have the entire markety shifting, it makes it easier.

The PC industry is getting there though. Many systems are finally shipping en mass with USB mice, keyboards and printers, 3 of the most common external devices people have when getting a new system.

And yes, Fibre channel drives are finally showing their face. They have been around for a while, but are just now starting to come into use in NAS and SAN enviornments. I haven't played with them yet since they aren't in my field of support yet, but I may look into them on some personal time since our lab has them.

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