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#231531 - 25/08/2004 13:30 Suggestions for providing building-wide audio.
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Our gymnasium supplies music throughout the building. They have been using a 5 disc CD changer until it recently died.

Having seen my empeg in action, the director asked me to hunt up something similar to do music for the building.

Seeing as it's pretty difficult to get ones hands on a Rio Central these days, I thought I'd query here to see if anyone had any suggestions.

some criteria:
price: Under $1000... preferably under $500
usability: Volunteers (some of them computer illiterate senior citizens) work at the front desk and would be controlling the audio.
feature: Must be able to easily play a chime track on demand...used to dismiss classes on some occasions.

There is at least one computer that remains on constantly, so streaming solutions from that computer's Hard Drive are acceptable, but the control box must be in a separate location from the computer. Wired and wireless networking available.

I'm not entirely opposed to a mini-pc setup if the user interface is simple enough and the cost is low enough.

Right now, a Karma in a dock seems to be a cheap easy solution. The user interface would not be ideal however. Any recommendations or suggestions would be very helpful.
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#231532 - 25/08/2004 13:35 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: JBjorgen]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
An empeg with a customized html menu structure?
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#231533 - 25/08/2004 15:15 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: pgrzelak]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Sounds interesting... care to elaborate?

Are we talking about an empeg tied to a PC using something like CharcoalGray's web interface? (Keep in mind that I'd have to purchase the PC and monitor too).

Edit: Or serve up the HTML from the existing PC over the network to a terminal of some sort. Come to think of it...I have an I-Opener sitting around that could be used.


Edited by JBjorgen (25/08/2004 15:21)
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#231534 - 25/08/2004 15:21 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: JBjorgen]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
I was thinking more that you could have an empeg, fully stocked with music, and modify / generate a relatively easy to use html front end that would allow you to stream over the internet or broadcast out of its RCA connections into an existing(?) public address system. I am thinking of CharcoalGray's interface, but modified and streamlined to make it more secure from unauthorized use with customized menus, etc.
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#231535 - 25/08/2004 15:34 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: pgrzelak]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Ok...we're thinking on the same page then....

Currently, there is no PC at the front desk though, so I'd have to provide one. The old I-Opener might just do the trick... perhaps with a touchscreen. The problem is that those things have a crappy DSTN screen with abysmal refresh rates. Might be usable enough though.

Any other ideas guys? Streaming?
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#231536 - 25/08/2004 15:55 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: JBjorgen]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31594
Loc: Seattle, WA
We had a CD player for our music-on-hold which kept dying and having to be replaced. So one day I got fed up, and replaced it with an old PC running win98 with Winamp in its startup group, pointing to a playlist file. (So if the power went out, it would start playing music again when the power came back on.) Music on hold has been continuous without fail ever since that day. Comes right back up after a power outage.

The only problem became the selection of songs. The CD player had nothing but classical, and when I tried to put some more modern stuff in there, our boss complained and made me change it back to the same stuff that the CD player had been playing. Sigh.
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#231537 - 25/08/2004 16:19 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: tfabris]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
That's exactly what we do for our MOH. Except I'd prefer to have a music player that runs as a service since the box is a Windows 2003 Server.
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#231538 - 25/08/2004 16:39 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: JBjorgen]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
Maybe something like a Slimp3 Streambox? Keep the music on the computer, let the Slimp3 provide a (hopefully) idiot-proof interface?

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#231539 - 25/08/2004 16:42 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: JBjorgen]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31594
Loc: Seattle, WA
Quote:
Except I'd prefer to have a music player that runs as a service

I didn't mention that later the box was upgraded to Windows NT, and now I use FireDaemon to make WinAmp run as a service.

If you don't want to use FireDaemon, I think there is a SRVANY utility on the NT resource kit allowing you to run any program as a service, although it's not nearly as easy to set up as FireDaemon.

Oh, and I'm sure there's MP3 players out there which will run as a service all by themselves, I just don't have any links to them.
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#231540 - 25/08/2004 16:52 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: DWallach]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
The Slimp3 Streambox looks great, especially pricewise. Has anyone here used one? How easy is the user interface? How deep on the menu would you have to go to play a single track like a chime?
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#231541 - 25/08/2004 18:25 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: tfabris]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Thanks Tony...FireDaemon is working great!
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#231542 - 25/08/2004 20:17 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: JBjorgen]
Waterman981
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Registered: 14/02/2002
Posts: 804
Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
What about just a Rio Reciever? You said that streaming solutions are acceptable. It may be the easiest/cheapest way to go. I don't have one so I don't know how the UI is for volunteers, but I'm sure someone else here can answer that one.
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#231543 - 25/08/2004 20:50 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: Waterman981]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31594
Loc: Seattle, WA
Quote:
What about just a Rio Reciever?

As much as I like the Rio Receiver, it's got one serious flaw that I wouldn't want it to have in a company environment. For home, this is not a big deal, but for continuous music in a company, it is.

The problem is that if the Rio Receiver loses power, it completely forgets its settings and its playlist, and a new playlist (as well as volume level, and bass/treble settings, etc.) must be selected from its front panel.

So since it needs a server PC anyway, it's easier (in a corporate environment) to just dedicate a PC to the task. At least you can configure a PC to remember its settings and keep playing after it reboots.
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#231544 - 26/08/2004 01:19 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: JBjorgen]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Netjuke would be perfect for this application, I wager. Plus it's free.

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#231545 - 26/08/2004 03:52 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: tfabris]
Waterman981
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Registered: 14/02/2002
Posts: 804
Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
Quote:
The problem is that if the Rio Receiver loses power, it completely forgets its settings and its playlist, and a new playlist (as well as volume level, and bass/treble settings, etc.) must be selected from its front panel.


I didn't know that. You're right that wouldn't work for a company environment.
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#231546 - 27/08/2004 14:51 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: JBjorgen]
tahir
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Registered: 27/02/2004
Posts: 1913
Loc: London
The slimp3 is great, it's quite easy to play a track, you pressing menu on the remote takes you to "Now Playing" arrow up to "Browse Music Library" you can have a .lnk or a playlist in the root of your Library that points to your chime etc, the only problem is that you'd have to start the previous playlist from scratch again.

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#231547 - 28/08/2004 22:45 Re: Suggestions for providing building-wide audio. [Re: tahir]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Thanks for the review...starting the music after the chime won't be a problem since the music doesn't play while the classes are going on anyway. I think we are going to go with the Slimp3 wireless.
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