empeg found on ebay - not much info though
Posted by: furtive
empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 03/11/2005 12:30
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/empeg-rio-digital-...1QQcmdZViewItemCould this be one gained from dubious sources? No mention of the sled or anything else. In fact the only info is a C&P of a very old news story about Rio releasing them in the US.
Posted by: pgrzelak
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 03/11/2005 12:36
Someone that seems to have no idea what it is, and is also selling a bunch of other car stereo stuff around the same time... Did anyone in Las Vegas have a Kenwood KAC-728S 600 Watt Amplifier stolen recently??? (viewing recent feedback from other auctions the seller has done)
Posted by: furtive
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 03/11/2005 12:48
I sent a message asking if he has the sled and he has replied
"i know i had it. im looking right now, i recently moved a couple months ago so i got boxes of stuff but ill get back to you on that"
Posted by: pgrzelak
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 03/11/2005 12:51
It might be legit. But, well, it is certainly not a bargain price, and the seller does not seem to know much about it...
Posted by: tfabris
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 03/11/2005 17:56
Have the seller give you the unit's serial number. It'll be in the "About" menu on the player. His photo shows the player working, so he should be able to call up that menu.
Then post the serial number here and search the BBS to see if anyone has reported that number stolen.
Posted by: sein
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 03/11/2005 18:56
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It might be legit.
In the light of recent experiences, I am following the rule "If in serious doubt... its hot" on eBay. Not one to tone it down, but there are simply too many assholes out there.
If I buy something, I have to have absolute confidence it is 100% legit else there is no way I'm going anywhere near.
Posted by: furtive
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 04/11/2005 13:50
Well no reply yet saying he has found the sled.... I have asked him for the serial number though...
And without using highly developed googling skills, I have found the article he got all his "information" from:
cnet RioCar article - dated 26 Feb 2001
Posted by: furtive
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 04/11/2005 14:30
And the serial number is....
10101677
A search of the archives finds this unit being sold back in 2002 by "Bryce":
Old for sale thread
Posted by: cushman
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 04/11/2005 15:00
I sent Bryce an e-mail about this via his webpage (still active):
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Hi Bryce, I'm cushman on the Empeg BBS, just a concerned user who noticed a thread about an Empeg unit you sold. The unit you sold has popped up on eBay with a shady looking description, and members on the BBS are thinking it might be stolen. Maybe you could contact the person you sold it to to see if they have had their unit stolen.
With the mail I sent links to this thread and the eBay auction. Hopefully this will get a clear answer.
Posted by: Bryce
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 04/11/2005 17:49
Bryce here, that's my name, no need to put it in quotes. Ultimately I put that one on eBay, I've forwarded Mark's e-mail with the links to the original buyer.
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 05/11/2005 13:02
Thanks for keeping a good eye furtive. Also thank Bryce for notifying me. I was the next owner after Bryce of this Empeg, and it was stolen from my 93 honda civic approximately 6 moths ago. The car was parked in a parking garage at a casino when the theft occured. It has been a real drag having no mp3s for 6 months, lol. He doesnt have the sled because he never took it. He didnt take the remote either. Im not surprised that he doesnt know anything about the player either. I sold the sled on ebay a few months ago becuase I thought the player was gone for good. I sold my remote as well. I still have the ac adapter though, and an extra sled so I should be good to go. I will be contacting the Las Vegas Metro PD today to inform them of the guy on ebay and his stolen wares. If anyone can provide any more information please email me at
[email protected]. My ebay usernames have been cyberbator and rion3030. Thanks again to this great empeg community for your help.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/empeg-rio-digital-...1QQcmdZViewItem
Could this be one gained from dubious sources? No mention of the sled or anything else. In fact the only info is a C&P of a very old news story about Rio releasing them in the US.
Posted by: pgrzelak
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 05/11/2005 15:03
Greetings!
If possible, please keep us informed of the outcome of your case. Many people here have also been theft victims, and it is nice to hear that someone might get their player back. If you do, and are still interested in using the empeg, post - I am sure that someone has a spare sled laying around.
Posted by: TigerJimmy
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 06/11/2005 05:01
I'd like to hear the outcome too. I think he still has the sled and remote, is that correct?
Posted by: loren
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 07/11/2005 04:52
Amazing. You guys rule. I hope like crazy they catch this fugger... for all of us who've had ours stolen.
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 08/11/2005 04:27
Heres an update. I have filed a police report and taken my security report from the casino along with other documents to the lvpd. I am not sure as to how fast they will respond so I may be inclined to win the auction and stall the guy for awhile. I want to impress upon him that payment will be arriving and hopefully waste a week or two before he can try and sell it again. I will let everyone know the ultimate outcome and provide relevant information whenever possible.
Ri-ON
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Greetings!
If possible, please keep us informed of the outcome of your case. Many people here have also been theft victims, and it is nice to hear that someone might get their player back. If you do, and are still interested in using the empeg, post - I am sure that someone has a spare sled laying around.
Posted by: Gallagher419
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 09/11/2005 00:10
I see that there are now two bidders for this auction. Which bidder are you?
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 09/11/2005 01:33
Tyrese3000, and I will win this auction lol. I noticed a rockford amp so ill be winning that one too. It is probably stolen just like the empeg. Im assuming the more evidence that is still on hand the more of a connection the detective may be able to draw between the goods and their source.
Ri-ON
Posted by: Redrum
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 09/11/2005 10:33
You might want to call the Police and find out who this is assigned to and bug them every day. Give them some squeaky wheel action.
Posted by: petteri
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 09/11/2005 12:55
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You might want to call the Police and find out who this is assigned to and bug them every day. Give them some squeaky wheel action.
That sounds like a great idea.
Posted by: wfaulk
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 09/11/2005 16:23
It might be better to get a friend in another state to win the auction so you can get the FBI involved. Federal crimes are more fun.
Posted by: lockuplever
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 09/11/2005 19:51
And the winner is............................................
tyrese3000
See if he'll let you pick it up in person!
Posted by: FireFox31
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 10/11/2005 01:12
Pick it up in person with a baseball bat.
Is this the point where we hide the thread so the crook doesn't get smart and find it? Now that it has his eBay name in the text, and all.
/me always spoils the fun.
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 10/11/2005 11:32
Lol. Since I already have the police involved I dont think that would be such a good idea, but It would be very tempting tho
. I will bug them every day and see what the status is and such tho. Im not too worried about the crook finding this thread. Just look at his description of the empeg on ebay. Plus hes already listed and sold it and most likely wont do any more research. I just need to stall him for at least the 10 business days so that he cant sell it to anyone else. This would be until 11-18. I think he wants paypal only so I requested his contact information and am supposedly sending a money order, which will subsequently become lost in the mail, after which another one will need to be issued etc.
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Pick it up in person with a baseball bat.
Is this the point where we hide the thread so the crook doesn't get smart and find it? Now that it has his eBay name in the text, and all.
/me always spoils the fun.
Posted by: pgrzelak
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 10/11/2005 11:55
Actually, I am tempted to recommend that you pay him for the player. Use a service like BidPay to generate the money order. This way, you get Visa and Western Union on his case as well. Also, by accepting the money for the player, the seller (thief?) will have officially sold stolen goods. Technically, because money has not changed hands yet, he / his lawyers might argue that it was not a sale. One less loophole...
Posted by: sein
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 10/11/2005 12:53
As long as you don't get done for knowingly buying stolen goods... what we need is a lawyer in the house.
Posted by: pgrzelak
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 10/11/2005 13:03
Too many jurisdictions to deal with. But, perhaps the LVPD can provide a little help here. When checking on the status, ask them if you should pay and get their opinion.
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 10/11/2005 13:04
I know from studying the laws a little in the past that the money doesnt have to exchange hands in order for one to prove the intent to sell stolen goods. I believe all that is needed is one party to announce their intention to sell, and the other to announce their intention to buy. Often sting operations will record these types of conversations with a wire, but their usability in court is questionable due to the fact that in most states both parties must be aware of the recording or have an audible beep every so many seconds. To my knowledge Nevada is oddly enough a "one party state" so that only one party need be aware of a recording to have the information admissable. You are right that getting more parties involved might increase the collective interest in seeing this to its conclusion. However, this is an odd position for me because I am knowingly involving others in purchasing goods that are stolen. Oddly enough I am buying my own stolen stuff hehe. I think I will just ride it out for a bit and see what the good old gumshoe can do or recommends.
Posted by: Ri-ON
!!!!! Talked to the detective. Please contact me. !!!!!! - 10/11/2005 22:23
Furtive, pgrzelak, tfabris, cushman, and Bryce:
Can all of you guys contact me by email? Also if someone reads this post and you know their email can you email them and tell them to email me? My email is
[email protected]. I was contacted by the detective
and he is wondering if some of you guys can call him and
make a statement so he can have something to goto the judge with.
Im guessing if they get enough info then they can obtain a warrant.
When you email me I will give you his phone # as well as mine so you can contact me with any questions. If you could do this I would really appreciate it. It will definately contribute to getting the player back.
Thanks
Ri-ON
Posted by: Foz
Re: !!!!! Talked to the detective. Please contact me. !!!!!! - 11/11/2005 20:36
Have you contacted eBay about this as well? Disclaimer... I work for eBay.
You need to contact them ASAP and get them involved. We work closely with the police on weeding out stuff like this. They may be able to help you nail this guy.
You need to contact the trust and safety department.
-- Gary F.
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: !!!!! Talked to the detective. Please contact me. !!!!!! - 12/11/2005 15:02
Gary,
I have thought about this, but I decided againt it for now. I was not sure about what ebays procedures would be, and I wanted to be careful not to tip off the suspect. Can you tell me a little bit more about what Ebay might do in a situation like this? I already have this users contact information and have turned it over the the authorities
Ri-ON
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Have you contacted eBay about this as well? Disclaimer... I work for eBay.
You need to contact them ASAP and get them involved. We work closely with the police on weeding out stuff like this. They may be able to help you nail this guy.
You need to contact the trust and safety department.
-- Gary
F.
Posted by: robricc
Re: !!!!! Talked to the detective. Please contact me. !!!!!! - 12/11/2005 15:12
If you think about it, it's in ebay's best interest to work with the cops on this. If ebay becomes knows as a stolen good dumping ground, it will be bad for their business. I would contact them but I've never been in your situation (thankfully). Good luck.
Posted by: mlord
Re: !!!!! Talked to the detective. Please contact me. !!!!!! - 12/11/2005 15:31
Yeah, I mean, look at eBay's recent track record for BBS members. It speaks for itself, especially the recent UK epsiode.
Posted by: Ri-ON
Tipped Off? - 13/11/2005 11:52
=(.. Got my first email from the guy after winning the auction and he is already deciding not to sell it. He claims it was due to miscommunication but I have not received any emails from him yet. I told him I had already sent the money and to wait up for it. The email is below.
Item: empeg rio digital audio $1,999 retail (5826031362)
This message was sent after the listing closed.
sincity7o2 is the seller.
due to no payment and no reply to messages, im sorry to inform you that the empeg is no longer currently for sale due to misscomunication
Posted by: hybrid8
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 13/11/2005 14:35
Just thought I'd remind people of a Registry thread Paul started back last year:
http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/225168/an/0/page/0#225168
Seems like a convenient enough place to put your serial number(s) - for those of us that don't already include it/them in our signatures.
Bruno
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 14/11/2005 17:46
Now he says that the empeg is no longer in his possession. I said my money order was still on its way, and asked if he had sold the empeg.
Hopefully this is because the police have recovered it, but I dont think they would have moved so quickly.
Ri-ON
Posted by: Redrum
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 14/11/2005 18:49
OK, his response to the Police might be. "I was selling it for a friend and he took it back and headed to.... No I do not know where he is or the empeg."
I hope you do get it back. I hate liars and thieves.
Posted by: GeorgeLSJr
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 14/11/2005 19:52
I'd try and play this a little more like a real buyer. I'd be pretty ticked off if I won an auction and suddenly the seller decides not to sell it. Check out the terms of service for ebay regarding sellers retracting items they're selling. If he has broken the terms of service, explain that to him, but don't make any actual threats about contacting them... it would just be implied by the context. Conversely, play dumb and ASK him whether or not rectracting the item for sale is allowed by ebay once the auction is over. Again, you have to seem like a winning buyer who wanted the item he bid on.
Posted by: furtive
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 14/11/2005 20:38
A google search for "empeg 10101677" gives this thread as the only result. I hope he hasn't discovered it.
I haven't had a chance to call the police for you yet. I'll try and do it tomorrow.
Posted by: pgrzelak
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 14/11/2005 21:23
I called a few days ago and left a message on the detective's machine, but I have not gotten a callback yet. I will also try tomorrow from the office.
Posted by: FireFox31
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 15/11/2005 02:21
The guy probably found the thread. Who knows what drove him to look, though. Googling the buyer's name, perhaps?
We should make a policy to hide threads when the connection is made between owner and thief. ie: 48 hours after this thread started, and as soon as the stripped car guy identified the parts as his. Further communication could be done by PM between the victim and the people who provided info in the thread.
It's harsh, but I'd hate to see any more excelent examples of community detective work go unresolved. Maybe the cops and eBay still have a leg to stand on. Possession of stolen goods, etc.
Posted by: SE_Sport_Driver
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 16/11/2005 00:25
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The guy probably found the thread. Who knows what drove him to look, though. Googling the buyer's name, perhaps?
We should make a policy to hide threads when the connection is made between owner and thief. ie: 48 hours after this thread started, and as soon as the stripped car guy identified the parts as his. Further communication could be done by PM between the victim and the people who provided info in the thread.
It's harsh, but I'd hate to see any more excelent examples of community detective work go unresolved. Maybe the cops and eBay still have a leg to stand on. Possession of stolen goods, etc.
I was surprised that he gave up the serial number to be honest with you. I just discovered this thread today and after it was stated he gave up the serial number, I wondered if he'd start to get suspicious (why else would someone ask to know the number unless they wanted to know it was stolen?) I guess we should look into a new strategy for this?
Posted by: furtive
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 16/11/2005 06:10
I told him I wanted the serial number to check which version empeg it was.
Posted by: SE_Sport_Driver
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 16/11/2005 16:20
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I told him I wanted the serial number to check which version empeg it was.
Ah.. good idea.
Posted by: Ladmo
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 29/11/2005 02:14
Any new developments?
Posted by: mdavey
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 30/11/2005 07:49
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The guy probably found the thread. Who knows what drove him to look, though. Googling the buyer's name, perhaps?
Perhaps we could add a new category to the BBS: 'Trust and Safety' (to pinch the ebay department name) and make it so that only those that are logged in and have more than, say, 100 posts can read it?
Posted by: canuckInOR
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 01/12/2005 19:19
Have you looked at the number of posts that Ri-On (the owner of this stolen mpeg) has? He'd be blocked from participating in a thread about his own player.
Posted by: mdavey
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 01/12/2005 21:57
Then pick another number, say 25. Or a combination of posts and joined-since. The barrier needs to be chosen so that there is a good chance of fraudsters not qualifying or their behaviour (such as attempting to artificially increase their post count) being spotted.
There will always be exceptions - in this case, one of the sysops could have been asked to 'tweak' the database so that Ri-On could participate.
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 07/12/2005 12:42
Everthing is ready to go as far as nailing this dude. Just waiting on Bryce to get back to me as to whether he can produce an original receipt, or a bank statement or credit card proof of purchase. This is apparently what the DA is waiting for before an arrest can be made.
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 02/01/2006 13:09
Still waiting on Bryce....
Posted by: pgrzelak
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 02/01/2006 13:55
This is slightly surprising. Given that you purchased it second hand, I am a little curious why they would need the original proof of purchase (which probably does not have a serial number on it). Would not a receipt of some kind for your purchase from Bryce be sufficient?
Posted by: Ri-ON
Re: empeg found on ebay - not much info though - 09/01/2006 22:13
Yea I dont know why they need that. My receipt from Bryce should be enough. I guess they think he stole it too... lol. Well the DA is making it tought I guess. Too bad Bryce doesnt want to cooperate. Ive sent him like 5 or 6 emails over the past month or more. I dunno what to do since its basically in his hands.
Ri-ON